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see, i would take things like this at word value, but then you say things like "the GOP is hardly republican" which is weird because the GOP are literally the republicans
There a few decent Republicans that consider themselves GOP. However, a majority of the RINOs are GOP members.
Then there are the true Republicans - the Tea Party. |
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"yes
financially doomed the country"
he did. there is literally no denying this
"federal reserve intake over Reagan's last four years was much higher than Carter's."
he tripled the national debt in eight years
"Carter with high taxes, Reagan with lower taxes."
carter used his taxes for useful things rather than stuffing the federal reserve
"Yes, Reagan did increase the debt."
which is bad
"He spent millions on the military, which required temporary tax hikes."
which is bad
"Which essentially lead to the downfall of the Soviet Union a few years later, considering they were trying to compete with the United States."
the soviets were doomed because of their own financial mismanagement, not because of anything reagan did
"Reagan's first four years were questionable, nevertheless he was more successful than Jimmy Carter."
jimmy carter wasn't a really good president either (even considering he had to clean up the incompetency and corruption of the nixon era) so it's funny you are trying to use him as a measuring stick for success
"You must take into account, Reagan worked with a Democratic congress for his first four years, as well."
which is probably why the black tuesday market crash happened in reagan's second term as well as all of his financial failings
"That being said, Obama has, in the last 4 years - not 6 - accumulated more debt than the nation had accumulated in the 200 or so years over the creation of the country."
well once again, he's cleaning up after dubya messed everything up using reagan's policies, and he has a republican congress so
and obama's legacy will be with other regards to the economy, things that were worse with reagan at the helm
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"There a few decent Republicans that consider themselves GOP. However, a majority of the RINOs are GOP members."
you are literally being a dumbass. the "Grand Old Party" is the republican party. there is no way around that. anyone who is in the republican party is a member of the GOP.
"Then there are the true Republicans - the Tea Party."
lol |
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Tato, how do you view Obama as a President? |
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doctor
the gop is the republican party, yes
but it's full of RINOs and Progressives |
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Ronald Reagan was not the best president we have had. However none of you have mentioned that Reagan challenged Mikhail Gorbachev to tear down the Berlin Wall, soon after he left the office the wall came down. He got the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) signed, this eliminated a lot of nuclear missiles. Reagan on a smaller scale than Kennedy had to pull back America from the brink of Nuclear War. |
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Also President Reagan is usually found in the top 5 of many polls done in America on "Who was the greatest US President". I'm not sure how you can argue he did not have a great legacy. |
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Thomas Jefferson is probably the best imo |
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Top 5 in Polls of Greatest US President..
CSPAN Poll: (1,145 surveyed in December of 1999)
1.Abraham Lincoln
2.Franklin D. Roosevelt
3.George Washington
4.Theodore Roosevelt
5.Ronald Reagan
ABC Poll: (1,012 surveyed in February of 2000)
1.Abraham Lincoln
2.John F. Kennedy
3.Franklin D. Roosevelt
4.No opinion
5.Ronald Reagan
Washington College Poll: (800 surveyed in February of 2005)
1.Abraham Lincoln
2.Ronald Reagan
3.Franklin D. Roosevelt
4.John F. Kennedy
5.Bill Clinton
Gallup Poll: (1,105 surveyed in February of 2011)
1.Ronald Reagan
2.Abraham Lincoln
3.Bill Clinton
4.John F. Kennedy
5.George Washington
Also in polls about approval ratings John F Kennedy took #1 in most of these.
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"Ronald Reagan was not the best president we have had."
far from it
"However none of you have mentioned that Reagan challenged Mikhail Gorbachev to tear down the Berlin Wall, soon after he left the office the wall came down."
which had nothing to do with reagan. it had more to do with the east german people who had been demanding freedom for a long long time (before reagan was in office)
"He got the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) signed, this eliminated a lot of nuclear missiles."
except that's wrong. nuclear weapons remained stagnant during his reign, only SART reduced the nuclear stockpile on both sides
"Reagan on a smaller scale than Kennedy had to pull back America from the brink of Nuclear War."
lol barely
"Also President Reagan is usually found in the top 5 of many polls done in America on "Who was the greatest US President". I'm not sure how you can argue he did not have a great legacy."
wow opinion polls about a figure whose popularity and goodwill is maintained by a cabal of republicans who refuse to believe a negative word about him
have you not forgot about iran-contra? how about reagan supplying both the iraqis and iranians with chemical weaponry during their war (of which, iraq used against it's own kurdish population)? the invasion of grenada? el salvador and nicaragua? |
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That scandal involving Iran-Contra led to the largest popularity decline of a US President. FDR allowed the forced relocation of people with Japanese Ancestry yet he is regarded as a great American President. Also if you really want to bash on somebody go bash on Lyndon B. Johnson and how he handled the Vietnam War. |
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Personally clinton is my favorite because he was sort of in my era, and he did great by eliminating the debt etc |
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Lewinsky scandal. But Kennedy a womanizer and pretty much did the same thing. |
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who cares, he had an affair so war |
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"That scandal involving Iran-Contra led to the largest popularity decline of a US President."
okay
"FDR allowed the forced relocation of people with Japanese Ancestry yet he is regarded as a great American President."
i didn't say that he was the absolute greatest. if you're talking economics, then yes, FDR is the greatest, but otherwise he's not that great
"Also if you really want to bash on somebody go bash on Lyndon B. Johnson and how he handled the Vietnam War."
except the worst came from nixon. eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, and nixon all had their fingers in that stew. it wasn't LBJ's war, and he wasn't the only one who screwed it up, nor the worst at screwing it up
"Lewinsky scandal."
pfftt
"But Kennedy a womanizer and pretty much did the same thing."
okay |
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If Kennedy had a second term Kennedy probably would have handled Vietnam differently from LBJ. |
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"If Kennedy had a second term Kennedy probably would have handled Vietnam differently from LBJ."
kennedy was notably a hawk. he organized a coup in south vietnam and the assassination of their leader for a military dictatorship. he was responsible for the original troop surges into vietnam
JFK was no different than LBJ, just more likable |
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Yes but afterwards he felt horrible for the assassination of Diem. Plus after the massive failure of the Bay Of Pig's Kennedy was a lot more cautious on . LBJ and Kennedy were very different lmao. |
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Plus Robert McNamara said this.. "Kennedy hadn't said before he died whether, faced with the loss of Vietnam, he would [completely] withdraw; but I believe today that had he faced that choice, he would have withdrawn." |
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"Yes but afterwards he felt horrible for the assassination of Diem."
source?
"Plus after the massive failure of the Bay Of Pig's Kennedy was a lot more cautious on ."
what do you mean. i literally just brought up the fact that he organized a coup in a foreign country so he could achieve his war aims with ease. that doesn't seem very cautious
"LBJ and Kennedy were very different lmao."
lol no. please read a book sometime before you want to discuss it. they had the same men behind them, the same men influencing them, and the same goals as presidents |
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