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Yall should get your facts straight, Panda you are wrong. OEM PCs like Optiplex'es rarely use a GT 730, most of the originals don't even come with a graphics card at all, they rely on integrated graphics like Intel HD or AMD Radeon.
Though I won't argue that his processor and a GT 730 wouldn't cause a bottleneck.
Don't recommend him a graphics card, recommend him a new computer. It's literally trash. The only good thing I can say about his PC that his CPU is only beaten by the best mathematicians.
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so much salt and nerd in o ne thread
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Awesome, how old are you? 12? You are literally trash talking other people for knowing how computers work. If you identify yourself as a "gamer" and don't know your PC then basically you are equivalent to some 10-year-old playing Minecraft on his mom's laptop. If you don't like something just leave, this argument has a point and it's not your responsibility to stop it.
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Not that an optiplex comes with a 730 but there are loads of PC's that do
Mainly cheaper ailenware and Dell prebuilts. Lots of 730/740/745's that people pull from them. So you can find the cards really cheap. |
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Let's not forget the "ebay gaming pcs" that have fancy cases to attract people but are actually pretty terrible because they are packed with mid-range i5s and GT 730 / GT 710z
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I'm running Roblox on a low profile card (GT 710) slightly overclocked with a core 2 duo 7700k. It gives me a solid 60fps with the graphics settings set to max.
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"core 2 duo 7700k"
help me
haha
im dying
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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i do know some about computers its just every reply on this thread is a heck ing essay
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wait till i stop laughing then ill reply
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"core2duo 7700k" as good as that guy who said he had an i5 7600k in his 2012 mac mini
"its socketed so i upgraded it"
Anyway, this was my Sempron 3850 and a GT 710 with 8gb of ram playing one of my games in 720p max settings and holding 60fps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLq_OIsMCLk
And its about on par with a Core2duo E4500. And if that combo of a 1.3ghz APU and an ultra low end GPU can get 720p 60fps max settings in Roblox then the E4500 and any GT 7xx series card can as well.
And while my game isnt the most demanding thing, it also held that 60fps max settings 1080p in games like Prison Life, Murder Mystery 2, Jailbreak, CB:RO, Theme Park Tycoon. The only game where i had to drop, a lot, was Phantom Forces, i had to drop to level 5 graphics to get 30fps. |
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720p* not 1080p.
That thing couldnt do 1080p over medium graphics. |
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I don't feel like turning my Optiplex into a little project at the moment. But, I'll definitely keep it only because I could use it as a back-up in case I get a new desktop. So, would you recommend me any other budget PC's that are worth getting? In all honesty, getting a new desktop seems to be the better route for me considering the fact that I don't want to risk putting my Optiplex on the line by installing a GPU that I have no knowledge about. In your opinion, would a Dell Optiplex 7010 be worth switching to at the moment?? ALSO... If your coming on this forum just to talk about some random #### that you have no knowledge about or saying stupid crap like, "Press backspace on system32." REALLY GUYS!?!?! (Not implying towards redpandanicole - your actually a great help to me!!!) |
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As is aid the 7010 wouldnt be a big jump, 3rd gen i series stuff with integrated graphics might really struggle with Roblox. You would want to stick a GPU in there anyway if you wanted a better experience.
My suggestion is simple, it doesnt make any complex project or anything.
Buy a low profile Nvidia GT 710 on ebay or amazon or whatever, used or new as long as its listed as working, it will be 20-30$. A low profile single slot card will fit in literally anything, it takes 19w of power so even if you have a garbage tier power supply it will have no problem powering the card.
That would be your best option for performance with the least amount of money spent.
That would get you 720p max settings 60fps in most games, maybe 1080p in some.
I would also drop to Windows 7 for the sake of ram usage unless you also wanted to go to 8gb of ram which im not 100% sure if you can do on the 755 or if im thinking of the 780. |
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i'm too lazy to shoot down some of redpandanicole's claims as he's rlly wrong in a few of his statements, but i dont feel like typing that much, so uh...
@ashley "performance degradation" does not exist. there has been no proof of that, and infact linustechtips tested this and found that no such thing exists.
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Alright then. I do have another question though. If I were to stick a GT 730 or 710 for example, would It be enough for me to run any other game besides Roblox? (Excluding the next gen AAA games - Obviously) I have a couple of games on Steam that I would like to play as well. Some including Gmod, Subnautica, DCS World, Just Cause 2, (etc;) I'll definitely downgrade to Windows 7 for the sake of RAM usage too. As of right now, I'm playing Roblox on my parents laptop until I upgrade my Optiplex. Just for the H*ll of it, I'm going to post the specs of the laptop. (Let me just say, it boasts some decent power and I would have to suffice with it) Laptop Specs: Acer Aspire E5-575 - Windows 10 Home - x64 based CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-7100U CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2400 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s) RAM: 4 Gigs GPU: Intel(R) HD Graphics ### ##### Roblox like a charm!) |
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Definitely Gmod, though not great. My source games baseline was like 60fps all low 720p for CSGO for example. More complex stuff is definitely gonna be no-no but things like custom gamemodes, TTT, MM will run fine.
Subnautica is probably gonna be a no, or youre gonna be dropping to sub 720p.
DCS world will run fine.
JC2 will runf ine.
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dans59Join Date: 2011-04-15
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in all honesty, i'd throw out the pc that you have and get a new one.#### ###c##r#######budget is an issue then go for the gt 730
but if you spend like $20-35 more, you can get a used r9 270x, or a 270 for probs less which can destroy the gt 730 in benchmarks
it's a much better value
your cpu should not bottleneck the 270x that hard. many games aren't optimized for multi-core, and you can even run tripple A games on that gpu (at lower settings) the people that say "omg it will bottleneck your system" have no idea what they're talking about. for example a third gen i7 is still good to run a gtx 1060 (sub $200 U.S range gpus). people will tell you that the third gen i7 will bottleneck the gtx 1060. they're wrong. period.
with the r9 270x/270, you won't have to crank down your res, because typically lower the res = more load on the cpu. too lazy to explain why, but ya.
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or you can get a r7 260x for around the same price as the gt 730, which can also destroy that trash gpu.
also since both r7 and r9 series are still widely used by consumers, they still receive constant driver updates from amd whereas the gt 730 doesn't. trust me, don't go with a gt 730
get a r7 260x (for around same price), or r9 270/270x
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The reason why with these machines you don't bother with higher tier GPU's is power
You don't even have a 6 pin to work with in a 755, so you need pcie only graphics solutions. Which is why the 730 is a good pick
Its low power and pairs well with c2ds
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ya didn't think of the psu when suggesting the gpu lol
but he can still go for the r7 260x (brand new) for around the same price.
most generic powersupplies have atleast one 6 pin. he should check if his psu supports it and then he can power it.
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Check performance and find what's taking up all the resources. That was the problem for me. |
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Dans your little come back is just sad, you literally watched a YouTube video by Linus (who is a cringe god) and got your mind set on it. What you have to do is figure it all out by yourself, overclocking and mining heavily decrease the graphics card's life-time. The heat and tampering can cause a variety of different issues. Performance degradation IS a thing, though not that common. A card like the GT 730 isn't designed for handling heat, most of them are passively cooled. Laptops aren't an exception either. Go ahead, use a card like the GT 730 for gaming, run a benchmark when you first got it then overclock it and use it for a year or two (gaming), then take a look at the card's performance again, it will only be like 40-55% the power of a new one.
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dans59Join Date: 2011-04-15
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how is my "comeback" said. what. i'm stating facts and used linus vid as an example.
it's better than the evidence you provided which was none.
you do realize i'm studying I.T at the university. there is no such thing as "degradation"--drivers have the biggest affect on performance, not mining and gaming overtime which causes the gpu to slow down. there are no moving parts on a gpu (except for the fans). this isn't an ssd or harddrive.
you probabaly saw a person say "omg performance degragation exists!11" on a forum and now you think it's a fact. it isn't.
there are articles after articles telling you that there is no such thing as degradation for gpu's. tom's hardware, PC Per##e#tive, etc, etc.
sorry but your statement has no facts behind it nor evidence to back up your claims.
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processor and/or ### too low. |
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Mmm.. I love how you stopped defending your rewtarded idea and started to attack me for reasons that literally don't exist.
"studying I.T at the university" it is highly unlikely, universities rarely teach about hardware, only software. And let's not forget your specs, which are very unbalanced and stupidly picked, making me realize that it's fake. And no, you can't be older than 13.
Remind me of kids on tech support forums that add something like this in their siggies:
GTX TITAN XP 4X SLI, CORE I7 7700K OVERCLOCKED, ULTRA RGB CASE, 64 GBS OF RGB RAM, 1200 W POWER SUPPLY!!!11111 (no im totally not an edgy teen with a gtx 1050)
I literally have over 30 graphics cards, including the GT 710, GT 730 and the GT 1030. I have spare time and I benchmarked, tested all of them.
Now we come to the stupid point, "drivers affect performance the most".
You are literally one of the stupidest kids out here, you trash-talk Panda even though he has about 8x more experience than you, and knows what he's talking about.
Drivers don't matter, buy a new graphics card and don't install the drivers, it will still work at its full potential but drivers just add optimization for games, and some technologies, yeah sure.. new drivers might give you a 5-10% boost that literally has no real effect.
Stop hiding behind YouTubers, go do some testing yourself, buy a GT 730 and try it out, there is a 100% chance that after a while it will be fwuwcked in performance. I'm not saying all cards have it, AMD's cards and Nvidia's passively cooled ones that are used for gaming/mining, I have just watched Linus's video and it is VERY wrong, he is is calling his GTX 480 "tortured" even though he only used it for benchmarking, performance degradation comes from extensive heat.
People even scream not to buy used mining cards because they will brick on your quick, it's due to really bad performance degradation related issues. The card is placed on 100% load 24/7.
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