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Dralin
#81901031Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:36 PM GMT

@Slacktivist Okay, I admit that wasn't the best reference. Nonetheless, you get the point. Just because it's a religious tradition doesn't mean it should continue to be done.
Flurite
#81901054Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:36 PM GMT

@TheRealCommander, You must like making up fake quotes.
TheRealCommander
#81901317Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:40 PM GMT

Wat? "Circumion is the removal of the forskin, which is the skin that covers the tip of the pis. In the United States, it is often done before a new baby leaves the hospital. There are medical benefits and risks to circision. Possible benefits include a lower risk of urinary tract infections, pele cancer and seally transmitted diseases. The risks include pain and a low risk of bleeding or infection. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) does not recommend routine circcision. Parents need to decide what is best for their sons, based on their religious, cultural and personal preferences. "
Flurite
#81901538Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:42 PM GMT

@Dralin, Most doctors would agree with you, but having a lower chance of getting those kinds of diseases and pain in the fore skin can be important to some as well.
Flurite
#81901608Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:43 PM GMT

@TheRealCommander, I thought you were quoting my post. Anyhow, Wikipedia also gives some effects of the process.
Dralin
#81901911Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:47 PM GMT

@Flurite True, but then again, that's almost like saying : "A small Polynesian island country might be developing nuclear weapons, so we should nuke them first, just in case."
Flurite
#81902181Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:51 PM GMT

Making analogies like that is pretty bad. It's not like it's a one-solution-fits-all thing. But since you seem to like playing that game, I can as well. Since a kid riding a bicycle might slip off and fall, we should put a helmet on him to protect his head.
XC6
#81902223Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:52 PM GMT

Could we just stop making these silly analogies? They prove very little.
Dralin
#81902313Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:53 PM GMT

Well, yes, we should... That wasn't a very good analogy :l
Flurite
#81902443Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:54 PM GMT

@Dralin, That's what I said when you gave yours. So yes, as I said, lets not use them.
Dralin
#81902844Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:59 PM GMT

Well, the fact remains, from a medical perspective, the possible benefits are overshadowed by the negative aspects.
XC6
#81903017Sunday, November 11, 2012 9:01 PM GMT

Let me interject my standing on the matter. I firstly do not think religion or tradition alone justifies chopping off a vital part of a baby's willy. As we've already determined, religion/tradition is not always correct. Secondly, there are as many health pluses as there are negatives, which sort of negates the health factor. Thirdly, what right do the parents have to make a one-way choice regarding a very personal organ of the child's body?
Slacktivist
#81903039Sunday, November 11, 2012 9:02 PM GMT

"A small Polynesian island country might be developing nuclear weapons, so we should nuke them first, just in case." ~ Dralin Nuking a tiny, helpless island has a very different impact than cirсumcising a child, even though the impact on the Polynesian island can be fixed. A lot more damage would be done to the island than the child who was cirсumcised. "Since a kid riding a bicycle might slip off and fall, we should put a helmet on him to protect his head." ~ Flurite Wearing that helmet has no disadvantage at all. Too bad the same couldn't be said for cirсumcision. The chances of falling off a bike is probably a lot more likely than developing some sort of реnile cancer. And you don't have to wear the helmet all the time, you can take it off once you're done riding. It's not permanent and irreversible.
Meekle13
#81903283Sunday, November 11, 2012 9:05 PM GMT

Circlecision actually helps lower the risks of UTIs, cancer, and transmitted infections
Flurite
#81903351Sunday, November 11, 2012 9:06 PM GMT

@Slacktivist Wearing the helmet could cause discomfort within the bicycle rider. It was mostly to prove that those analogies don't work. I wasn't trying to make a huge statement with it. @All, I can see why some parents see the benefits of circumcision and some don't. And saying there are no health benefits, xc6, is not very true. My parents did it to me and are 100% athiest. Our ancestors were never religious. There had to be some reasoning behind it, although I never asked them.
XC6
#81903506Sunday, November 11, 2012 9:07 PM GMT

"Circlecision actually helps lower the risks of UTIs, cancer, and transmitted infections" Source, please. Some cons: "a decrease in sensation in the pes, particularly during sx damage to the tube that carries urine inside the pes (urethra), causing it to narrow and making it hard to pass urine accidental amputation of the head of the pes, which is very rare a blood infection or blood poisoning (septicaemia)" Source: nhs
XC6
#81903597Sunday, November 11, 2012 9:09 PM GMT

"And saying there are no health benefits, xc6, is not very true." I'm saying that there are as many negatives as positives.
Slacktivist
#81903832Sunday, November 11, 2012 9:12 PM GMT

"Wearing the helmet could cause discomfort within the bicycle rider. It was mostly to prove that those analogies don't work. I wasn't trying to make a huge statement with it." ~ Flurite Not if you wear it right. You can choose the size of your helmet. You can adjust a helmet to be tighter or looser. I found a lot more foolishness in your analogy than I found in Dralin's.
Flurite
#81904125Sunday, November 11, 2012 9:15 PM GMT

@Slacktivist, I'm sorry I didn't provide an analogy that was good enough. I hope you don't make a big deal out of it, as I'm just proving that analogies are weak. @xc6, Read Wikipedia's article about this section 4, "Effects".
Noobanaitor
#81915064Sunday, November 11, 2012 11:34 PM GMT

No, that's mutilation.
DrillBoyKOKO
#128664538Saturday, March 22, 2014 8:44 AM GMT

Do people have Menigitis and Septicaemia?

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