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http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2013/01/14/169164414/lack-of-up-to-date-research-complicates-gun-debate?roundtwo
This was an NRA funded study, upon results, they then tried to kill the study.
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gamert7Join Date: 2008-11-18
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2nd amendment wasn't meant to defend your home it was meant to kill a tyrannical government so move along nothing to see here. |
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No the second amendment was NOT intended for that, it is intended to keep STATE MILITIAS IN PLACE, something unneeded, in this day but completely fine and first world like. |
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@arctic are you the one who told me we don't need hunting rifles to hunt when we can buy meat from the supermarket? |
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Exactly, gamert7. There are four steps to enslaving a people:
1.)Making them defenseless.
2.)Controlling the media.
3.)Controlling the schools
4.)Controlling big business. |
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No the second amendment was NOT intended for that, it is intended to keep STATE MILITIAS IN PLACE, something unneeded, in this day but completely fine and first world like.
Common logical fallacy, not true.
"The best way to enslave a people is to disarm them."- George Mason, father of the bill of rights. |
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The people are never defenseless, the pen has always been mightier then the sword.
Part of why all these countries with "defenseless" people are not enslaved. |
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SasookJoin Date: 2009-03-07
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Syria has banned guns. And yet the international communist supports the rebellion, and groups are arming them. |
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>Common logical fallacy, not true.
historically fact is not "Common logical fallacy" the 2nd was interrupted as such UNTIL the 1970's
Name ONE first world nation where ADDED gun control was followed by dictatorship.
I am not suggest correlation, but I can name a country that had DECREASED Gun control and then had dictatorship.
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gamert7Join Date: 2008-11-18
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'No the second amendment was NOT intended for that, it is intended to keep STATE MILITIAS IN PLACE, something unneeded, in this day but completely fine and first world like.'
'A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.
--- Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1785. The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, (Memorial Edition) Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.
We established however some, although not all its [self-government] important principles . The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved,) or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed;
---Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824. Memorial Edition 16:45, Lipscomb and Bergh, editors.
No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
---Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776.
The thoughtful reader may wonder, why wasn't Jefferson's proposal of "No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms" adopted by the Virginia legislature? Click here to learn why.
One loves to possess arms, tho they hope never to have occasion for them.
--- Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1796.
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
---Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
To model our political system upon speculations of lasting tranquility, is to calculate on the weaker springs of the human character.
---Alexander Hamilton
Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it.
---James Madison,The Federalist Papers, No. 46.' |
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Yet.
And the pen is only mightier then the sword when people won't get gunned for saying what they believe. (not implying this is true about non-gun countries, just saying)
You may be right artic, but you are wrong when you say the original intent was the millitia. |
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gamert7Join Date: 2008-11-18
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'Name ONE first world nation where ADDED gun control was followed by dictatorship.'
Germany,
USSR,
China,
Rome and more. |
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The thoughtful reader may wonder, why wasn't Jefferson's proposal of "No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms" adopted by the Virginia legislature? Click here to learn why.
One loves to possess arms, tho they hope never to have occasion for them.
--- Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1796.
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"Click here to learn why."?
Are you sure that us what he said? |
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gamert7Join Date: 2008-11-18
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I copied that from a website. He said it but, not click here to learn why. |
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AvogadroJoin Date: 2010-11-14
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Arctic, you're being misleading. This includes people killing themselves with a gun, which makes up the vast majority of "family" deaths. |
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@gamert7: I know. I was kidding. Those are actually some great quotes! :D |
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dxhardys12Top 50 PosterJoin Date: 2009-09-08
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@gamert
guns weren't around during Roman times
unless of course you mean "Italy"
@Rubiks
2.)Controlling the media.- already done by businesses
3.)Controlling the schools- agreed
4.)Controlling big business.- in capitalist America, business controls Government |
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AvogadroJoin Date: 2010-11-14
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in capitalist America, business controls Government
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That's actually the exact opposite of what capitalism is. Under capitalism, government should every business equally, small or large. No subsidies, no bailouts, nunavut. |
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gamert7Join Date: 2008-11-18
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I did mean Italy but, I was also thinking on how the Romans took away weapons during their time. |
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2.)Controlling the media.- already done by businesses
3.)Controlling the schools- agreed
4.)Controlling big business.- in capitalist America, business controls Government
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True, but that was not the point I was trying to make. Our government is trying to do all four. |
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Your government can't even nationalize health care. |
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gamert7Join Date: 2008-11-18
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I do not want nationalized health care. Take your foreign policies away we do not like your subversion. |
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Looks like someone learned a new word today. |
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Exactly. If you don't like who we are or what we believe, then you can pack your bags and you can leave! |
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