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@tec
" "It's harder for a NBC member to get people to play his/her game."
It might be, but honestly I feel it's more about the quality of the game and the reputation it builds that matters, and although it may be harder to build such a reputation with only one place, it's certainly not much harder, I know I for one have a dedicated player base from YEARS ago still, and that's from when my place hit front page while I was NBC.
"Not a lot of NBC members can make good places."
And THIS is why they can not afford things, not because they are not BC, but because they have not taken the time and effort to get good at content creation. Do note that Roblox is a game that is for content makers.
"So most people wouldn't buy Paid Access from a NBC place."
Harder to draw people in through tactics otherwise usable (such as beta builds with additional content) yes, most people not buying it just because the user is NBC, doubtful. Worst comes to it save up, get one month of BC, and let it expire, you get 4 additional places and suddenly all those options become available.
"And NBC people gets a 90% Market Fee."
I refer to this point I made to someone else:
>"Before you complain that "They only get 10%," you just said you wanted more ways for them to get R$, and 10% is infinitely times more then 0."
Be happy NBC have access to the feature at all. People wanted more features available to NBC, they got it, yet here they keep complaining that they are not being given enough for free.
"It may give us some Robux. But what would like 10 robux buy in the catalog..."
10 R$ adds up fast. If you make good content, you can make steady sales, and earn a pretty penny.
" Paid Access Games is not a good idea for this type of game sites. There is so many players on this site. We should be allowed to play any game. "
Paid Access is great for a game site with so many people, it gives content makers a huge audience pool. You are allowed to play almost any game (Save BC only if you are NBC), but in the end you just have to save for some, and become a content maker yourself if you want to enjoy the full benefits of the site.
"And tec, I got question for you. If Roblox wasn't trying to keep NBC people out of Paid Access places, Then why did they make it where you can only sell Paid Access in Robux ?"
Because most things like this cost R$ because it's the currency type they want used. R$ are only added to the market place a few ways.
1) When people pay real money (for R$ or for BC) R$ are added to the market.
2) When Roblox holds contests, they may add R$ to the market as a prize.
That currency is backed by a meaning of value. It is available for everyone to get, via the trade currency. Honestly if you work on becoming a content maker, the trade currency will show you just how easy it is to earn a lot of R$ as an NBC member, it just takes time and effort.
"Woa saying NBC people can afford it. You are so wrong there. No they can't. Not all NBC people can afford it. "
All NBC members are capable of being content makers, and earning a plenty big enough profit to afford it. I did it way back when the community of Roblox was much smaller and front page games only earned a fraction of the tickets for visits because it was less people.
"Only very little NBC people actually can. You would have to go buy Robux to be able to unless, You're very good at Scripting and building."
Then take the time to get good at building and scripting, after all, that's what you are suppose to do on Roblox. It's a hosting site for things you scripted and built. :T
"Yes NBC people can use this setting, But they take 90% of the income we make from it."
>"NBC need more features stop making new features BC only!" "We got a new feature but are not being given enough for free!!" That's called being spoiled and greedy my friend.
" I believe you shouldn't have to pay to play a game."
And you don't have to, go play one of the millions of games that do not use Paid Access. Someone put time and effort into making their place, if they want to charge R$ for entry, more power to them. Greed is complaining you do get free access to someone else's work.
"Roblox took it to far with 90% Market Fee for NBC members."
I disagree. 10% R$ income is still far more then the 10 Tix a day could ever hope to be. Even just one sale a day at 30 R$ for a half-decent game can boost you to over 4 times the normal daily income. That's a lot.
"Hey maybe it does help with Early Accessing. But they didn't need this."
>"But they didn't need this." As this is a game, no one needs anything, and no one deserves anything unless they paid real money and where promised a service for it. If you want to use the argument "They didn't need this" then it applies to other things too. "NBC didn't need the ability to make t-shirts." "NBC didn't need the ability to buy things from the catalog." "NBC didn't need daily income."
These are all things I'm sure we would ALL be mad if they removed, but you argue for them because you say we should remove Paid Access because people don't need it.
"All a builder needs to do is make a good sized box, Make a door that you can go threw if you have bought his T-Shirt or Shirt. That easy."
1) A few things here. That's less secure. It's much easier to scam people that way, and there is nothing Roblox can really do about it if it happens. With Paid Access funds are placed in escrow, and games can be reviewed and funds returned. Paid Access adds a protective layer to this transaction.
2) NBC users could not benefit from this at all. At most they could have a friend sell it for them, and the NBC user would earn 0% instead of the 10% they can now that Paid Access is here.
3) It keeps a user's clothing from being crowded buy access passes and the like. Clothing should be clothing, access passes should not be.
"That obviously a way to keep NBC people out"
Roblox allows a way for NBC members to make R$, obviously trying to keep NBC people out.
"And don't you dare say it isn't, Because it is and you know it. "
I do dare say, because you have such a twisted little way of looking at it. They have made something already possible SAFER, MORE ORGANIZED, and AVAILABLE TO ALL USERS. Please tell me how that is a bad thing. Would you be more happy if they removed the escrow and special moderation on them so people could go back to getting ripped off with no protection, is that how you like games? Or are you upset that your inventory isn't mixed into a ball of clothing and access passes disguised as clothing? If they make the marketplace fee on Paid Access sales 100% for NBC so that it's like before Paid Access games, where ONLY BC members could do it, and ONLY BC members could profit?
"Obviously not everyone using it. Most NBC people can't afford to. "
Everyone can afford to take the free action of making a Paid Access game.
"They use to have it be that BC members gets 1,200 robux actually, And NBC gets 1000"
Please submit evidence. It has always been that 800 R$ are worth 10$, and that BC members got 200 R$ extra, since buying R$ came out. If you can show me this card, I might believe you, but still yet, you should be happy they have out an extra 200 R$ for a limited time.
"I'm not saying , I want more, I am saying they should change it back. Than it would be fair."
To be accurate, changing it back would be making it so NBC members can not buy anything less then the $25 amount, since that's how it started.
>"they should change it back. Than it would be fair."
"When did I say that ?! Never. I love Dynamic Lighting, And trade System"
>"Hey maybe it does help with Early Accessing. But they didn't need this."
You said it right there for one.
"If they do, Then why haven't they responded to this. This has over 250 replies they supposed to reply at 100 replies. They never did. "
I've been around S&I long enough to know they do browse the board. There is no number that they reply at, and you comment that they reply at 100 further removes credibility from your word. Not to mention they tend to not respond to things that are WNTS, such as removing big new features (like Paid Access).
"but you can't buy Paid Access"
Save up, become a content creator yourself, play the trade currency, play limited items. All these ways can earn you money (though the later two require an investment, trade currency not taking much to get started).
"When I would buy a Roblox $10 card, I would receive 1000 robux. Even when, I wasn't BC. Explain that. "
Please provide evidence of that. All information we have points to a rate of .8 R$:cent when buying $10. That's the way it's been since buying Robux came out. So unless you can provide evidence it was that way, instead of just saying, "It was" then this isn't a valid point.
Well then, that was long. :T "
First I want to start with the Bottom one. I got proof. I got Three Cards that says 1000 robux. And that what, I received. There was more but my grandma threw them away. I wasn't BC when I got these. I have mostly bought $10 cards. I would know. You obviously didn't buy many cards threw out 2011,2012.
Save up really dude ? With getting 10 tickets a day won't help. Yes I got a place, I did good on but because, I'm not BC, I can't get as many people on it.
You can't trade if you're NBC so that does no good. Trade Currency system is not real great.
This may be WNTS. But that's how they covered themselves. Paid Access is only Buyable in Robux. They should make it in, Tickets to I think.
Well that may be how they started, But they did change it in 2011. In 2011, I bought Roblox cards to redeem 1000 robux. And I wasn't even BC. And I got three cards of proof. I do have a webcam. I can take picture. But don't know if allowed to upload it to Roblox as a decal.
Not everyone can learn Scripting well. It's not that easy. A lot of us on this site has ADHD, Or ADD.
ADHD
Abbreviation
Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.
They wanted to use Robux. Because they knew NBC people wouldn't be able to play many of the Paid Access Games. Gives them no reason to make it Robux only. They should make it in Tickets to.
It is harder for a NBC person to get people to play his/her game. I have played so many games that are like the best on this site. But the owner is NBC and can't get many people on it. It kinda sad when someone works so hard on something but can't get a lot of people to even notice it.
Like this place: http://www.roblox.com/Conquest-City-EBR-place?id=89112685
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gstermanJoin Date: 2008-09-14
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WNTS, no support.
Also, what is the big deal with paid access games? It uses virtual money, not real money. |
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ilovebc69Join Date: 2013-06-19
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Support |
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I hate how all the 12'ers are coming in here and saying no support. Things are better off now... How would any of you know? You guys are 12'ers. For most of you all, you are on your first account. You guys weren't around to see Roblox in its prime.
NBC deserve more rights, giving BC members way more stuff just means that Roblox cares more about money than game play and customer satisfaction. I think when you join Roblox, you should get 5 places, and if you have BC or have bought BC you should have 10 places.
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Minus the 12'er who started the forum in the first place.
-Leader of ESD |
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Support. It's time roblox made a change |
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Moose_GodJoin Date: 2013-06-05
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"First I want to start with the Bottom one. I got proof. I got Three Cards that says 1000 robux. And that what, I received. There was more but my grandma threw them away. I wasn't BC when I got these. I have mostly bought $10 cards. I would know. You obviously didn't buy many cards threw out 2011,2012. "
Okay, and I am willing to accept that they might have temporarily upped it as a bonus, but please provide pictures or the like. I also have a video I can link (Youtube links are allowed right?) that is from Aug 3, 2011 that shows that NBC members only got 800.
"Save up really dude ? With getting 10 tickets a day won't help. Yes I got a place, I did good on but because, I'm not BC, I can't get as many people on it."
Saving up that 10 a day as well as any other income, and then using that as investment for things like playing the trade currency can earn good money. Saving up that 10 a day + place visits can add up super fast. Being NBC does not make an individual place get less visits, you can get just as many people on your place as an NBC user as a BC user can.
"Trade Currency system is not real great. "
You've obviously never played the currency rates. In less then a week I tripled the money I was investing in it, just takes time and observation skills. (Time being the only reason I haven't done it recently.
"This may be WNTS. But that's how they covered themselves. Paid Access is only Buyable in Robux. They should make it in, Tickets to I think."
The WNTS isn't some cover up, it's because this is not the place for those kinds of things (like complaints to remove things etc.). I agree that they should be sellable in tickets. I understand why they wouldn't make it so, but I think it would be better if they did. THAT is a suggestion I can get behind. :3
I'm not like, mad, I understand if you don't want to upload a picture of the card as a decal because I am not sure how they would like that. >.<
"Not everyone can learn Scripting well. It's not that easy. A lot of us on this site has ADHD, Or ADD."
Even with those, people have achieved great learning heights. It's about how you learn, not what you are learning. There is nothing holding them back from learning but themselves, it's true of everyone who hasn't picked something up and tried. It takes time and dedication. |
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"First I want to start with the Bottom one. I got proof. I got Three Cards that says 1000 robux. And that what, I received. There was more but my grandma threw them away. I wasn't BC when I got these. I have mostly bought $10 cards. I would know. You obviously didn't buy many cards threw out 2011,2012. "
Okay, and I am willing to accept that they might have temporarily upped it as a bonus, but please provide pictures or the like. I also have a video I can link (Youtube links are allowed right?) that is from Aug 3, 2011 that shows that NBC members only got 800.
"Save up really dude ? With getting 10 tickets a day won't help. Yes I got a place, I did good on but because, I'm not BC, I can't get as many people on it."
Saving up that 10 a day as well as any other income, and then using that as investment for things like playing the trade currency can earn good money. Saving up that 10 a day + place visits can add up super fast. Being NBC does not make an individual place get less visits, you can get just as many people on your place as an NBC user as a BC user can.
"Trade Currency system is not real great. "
" You've obviously never played the currency rates. In less then a week I tripled the money I was investing in it, just takes time and observation skills. (Time being the only reason I haven't done it recently.
"This may be WNTS. But that's how they covered themselves. Paid Access is only Buyable in Robux. They should make it in, Tickets to I think."
The WNTS isn't some cover up, it's because this is not the place for those kinds of things (like complaints to remove things etc.). I agree that they should be sellable in tickets. I understand why they wouldn't make it so, but I think it would be better if they did. THAT is a suggestion I can get behind. :3
I'm not like, mad, I understand if you don't want to upload a picture of the card as a decal because I am not sure how they would like that. >.<
"Not everyone can learn Scripting well. It's not that easy. A lot of us on this site has ADHD, Or ADD."
Even with those, people have achieved great learning heights. It's about how you learn, not what you are learning. There is nothing holding them back from learning but themselves, it's true of everyone who hasn't picked something up and tried. It takes time and dedication. "
Got no clue how the Currency Rates numbers work. I'm horrible with math. So that I could never do, So harder to save Tickets, For some of us.
" I understand why they wouldn't make it so, but I think it would be better if they did. THAT is a suggestion I can get behind. :3 " Well that is surprising you actually ok with one of my Ideas. Thats rare lol. But still Roblox made a lot of people upset when they made it in Robux only. I hope they change that. Then I won't have a problem with Paid Access Games.
Problem with ADHD is " Focusing on one thing at a time " Us with ADHD, Can't focus on one thing at a time. We do up to 6 or even 10 things at once. It's because of the head of someone with ADHD, Moves way more fast than someone without ADHD. |
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@builder
" I hate how all the 12'ers are coming in here and saying no support. Things are better off now... How would any of you know? You guys are 12'ers. For most of you all, you are on your first account. You guys weren't around to see Roblox in its prime.
NBC deserve more rights, giving BC members way more stuff just means that Roblox cares more about money than game play and customer satisfaction. I think when you join Roblox, you should get 5 places, and if you have BC or have bought BC you should have 10 places.
-Leader of ESD "
I am not a 12'er. I am a 2011er. My old account is devenking119. Which is still in use. I will post here on that profile soon. I've seen Roblox in it's Prime. I remember when Personal Servers came out in 2011. I remember when the Trade System came. I remember when roblox reached a Million Players Milestone. I remember all those great days. I remember when there wasn't as much spam in the comments of games and scammers.
I also remember some of the bad stuff. Like the Hacks of 2011. That ruined so many games.
I do agree with you partially. Thank you for commenting have a nice day.
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@gst
" WNTS, no support.
Also, what is the big deal with paid access games? It uses virtual money, not real money. "
Wnt's really dude. It may be Wnt's But, I am suggesting some " Fixes " on the updates pretty much. Roblox made some mistakes and they must fix it. Like the Personal Server Tools. They were changed and there more glitches on it. And the Roblox Cards the $10 ones. Use to be that you would get 1000 robux for $10. And that was what a NBC person would get. If I am right, I believe a BCer got 1,200 robux. |
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See wasn't lying.
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troy119Join Date: 2013-04-28
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No support. Why is because, It's wnts, And your a dumb stupid idiot. With no life. All your ideas is so stupid and dumb like you. So get out you stupid loser. And tec your just as dumb and stupid as him. You supporting anything he says shows your a ignorant dumb Robloxian who should be banned for dumbness. And Conquerors101 should be banned for the dumbest stupidest ideas to have ever came to this site. I don't like paid access but you just came out with the stupidest idea. It should stay in Robux go buy Robux you dumb little ignorant kid. My god I hate dumb noobs and re-tard-ed people like you. |
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@troy
Wow you little noob. My ideas is not stupid. And Tec is not stupid. He has reasonable Arguments such, As I do. You're just mad because you can't get a thread this high in replies. And you're just a little noob. And your a 2013er. You have no right to be here, You haven't been here during any of the updates. So get out and no need to be mean. |
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IamawesomJoin Date: 2011-07-23
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Guys. Please stop fighting.
Also. P2P is good. Idiots who use it will realize it's not helping them at all. Unless its for early access. That's good. Also, NBC don't pay for BC, us BCer's do. I'm not saying that BCers are better than NBC though. It's just if we have equal stuff, BC is pointless, so roblox loses profit, and we all are forced to leave as roblox shuts down. Yes, I also know roblox has ads to pay their bills too. 90% of all business are for money, those other 10% shut down after a few months of debt. I am ok with the current tools, I don't remember the previous tools, but I use studio more than anything. I think if we had stamper tool AND insert tool, world is much better place. |
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IamawesomJoin Date: 2011-07-23
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So:
1 and 2: I really don't care what happens, as long as it doesn't get worse.
3: No, P2P is ok. Eventually, it will become an unused feature as people don't spend money on them.
4: WNTS, AND No. BC people pay. Just because you can't afford it doesn't mean we all should start paying for no reason. |
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"Got no clue how the Currency Rates numbers work. I'm horrible with math. So that I could never do, So harder to save Tickets, For some of us. "
You don't need to be great with math to buy low and sell high. :3 This is also something you can learn about and practice and get better at, again, like building/scripting, this is a choice. You have all the ability and potential.
"Problem with ADHD is " Focusing on one thing at a time " Us with ADHD, Can't focus on one thing at a time. We do up to 6 or even 10 things at once. It's because of the head of someone with ADHD, Moves way more fast than someone without ADHD."
Again, this is a personal issue with how you are trying to learn. ADHD also doesn't make the brain work faster, it just effects how the brain connects activities together and as you used, "focuses." Different learning tactics can easily be approached for different people, and most 'disorders' we see in schools are becoming increasingly exposed as just kids who learn different. (Wow, not all kids learn best by sitting in a dull room listening to a single speaker for hours on end, who would have guessed.) Having ADHD doesn't effect the fact that you can still learn anything, it just takes time and effort. Time and effort is not the same as focus. |
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"NBC deserve more rights"
*cough* Greedy *Cough*
You don't deserve anything if you are not paying specifically for those somethings. The only thing NBC deserve is R$ if they pay for them. Expecting to be given things for free is spoiled.
"giving BC members way more stuff just means that Roblox cares more about money than game play and customer satisfaction"
Free to play users are not paying customers... Also, when people pay for additional content, you deliver additional content. |
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Support on most of it.
Only thing i got no support on is 1,000 Robux for NBC's 10$ RÓBLOX cards. |
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@meow
They changed it couple months ago. Why would they make it that NBC users gets even less Robux now than before. We paying for Robux they shouldn't take 200 away. That kinda not fair. They changed it to this selfish way. |
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I never said NBC deserves more rights. I said that they need to fix some of the issues. Pretty much restore it. |
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