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Not a "solution". Making a bad idea and adjusting it does not make it good, like you said about the price floor.
I havent bought one shirt in months.
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"Not a "solution". Making a bad idea and adjusting it does not make it good, like you said about the price floor.
I havent bought one shirt in months."
How is this not a solution?
How is it a bad idea?
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Nobody even asked for the "price floor". In real life, there isnt a real limit to where you sell your clothing at. Its silly.
"Not buying a shirt in months is your fault"
Actually ROBLOX's fault for making it expensive.
100 tickets isnt a change, its still high.
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"Nobody even asked for the "price floor". In real life, there isnt a real limit to where you sell your clothing at. Its silly."
Yes, actually. A lot of people did. You just weren't around to see it.
ROBLOX isn't real life. Why are you trying to compare the two?
"Actually ROBLOX's fault for making it expensive.
100 tickets isnt a change, its still high."
No. You could have bought something, but you didn't. It is entirely your fault.
There are so many ways for even NBC to make tickets/R$. You have no excuse as to why you can't afford any clothes. |
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Malvus's thread has been out for months and it may be a little thing but it is asking for a change.
Over 300+ Pages of support, and nothing has happened. You know I uste actually go on other websites and told people to play ROBLOX because the shirts and pants are cheap.
Now I cant.
5 Tickets was fine. For the whole thing.
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"Nobody even asked for the "price floor". In real life, there isnt a real limit to where you sell your clothing at. Its silly."
Yes, actually. A lot of people did. You just weren't around to see it.
ROBLOX isn't real life. Why are you trying to compare the two?
Links please. Or it didnt happen. I doubt anybody would suggest making Shirts 300 tickets. I mention real life because of them trying to make a "realistic economy"
"Actually ROBLOX's fault for making it expensive.
100 tickets isnt a change, its still high."
No. You could have bought something, but you didn't. It is entirely your fault.
There are so many ways for even NBC to make tickets/R$. You have no excuse as to why you can't afford any clothes
I doubt the people who sell them want to make them that expensive though.
Its an issue.
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"Malvus's thread has been out for months and it may be a little thing but it is asking for a change."
But Malvus' thread was stupid. He didn't need to think to post it.
Any idiot could have said what he said.
As for the supporters, I'm sure they're all (Or most of them) lazy and ignorant.
"Over 300+ Pages of support, and nothing has happened."
This is suggestions and ideas. Not orders.
No one said ROBLOX had to listen. Once again, it's your problem, because you thought it was something else.
"You know I uste actually go on other websites and told people to play ROBLOX because the shirts and pants are cheap.
Now I cant."
ROBLOX isn't primarily about fashion.
Also, I'm gonna go ahead and doubt you went around to other sites telling people to play ROBLOX 'cause of cheap clothes. Sounds like you whining and trying to receive sympathy.
"5 Tickets was fine. For the whole thing."
Why?
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"Links please. Or it didnt happen. I doubt anybody would suggest making Shirts 300 tickets. I mention real life because of them trying to make a "realistic economy""
I'm not going back years to find threads just please some fool.
You also have no proof that it didn't happen. So that's good enough for me.
Besides, whether or not anyone suggested it, it as served a positive purpose. Does a company have to only do what the users want just because they even listen to us at all? Let them make some choices of their own. You don't run them.
Who said they were trying to make a 'realistic economy'?
"I doubt the people who sell them want to make them that expensive though.
Its an issue."
http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=123151494
Gordon (A moderator) responded there. He said:
"But if the data shows that many clothing developers are indeed making more money now than ever before, is that not a good thing? (Yes, developers are making more money)"
Therefore, designers are benefiting from the price floor. The good ones, at least. Why should the designers lose that benefit so that you can get THEIR stuff cheaper? |
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My thank you for the support Glos.
Unfortunately, votes cannot be constructive and as a result I generally don't like them.
Construction looks at WHY you don't like something, which votes can't show.
And Buffalo. Are you absolutely sure you want to have this argument?
I am right. If you REALLY can't take my word on that, I will be happy to prove it to you, but I'd rather not, because we both know how it'll carry out; I won't persuade you, you won't prove me wrong.
It seems to me though, that your entire argument is about the price floor.
My argument has nothing to do with the price floor; it's about the destructive criticism on S&I and how to stop it. The price floor is currently the most recent example of such destructive criticism.
I doubt there is nothing in your argument that I can't debunk just by quoting my OP, which is a shame because I omitted a ton of arguments and points from it.
Such as, and this is in response to your OP:
"I'm now going to talk about one of roblox's messes, the price floor.
Now, explain in a single sentence for me what S&I should be about in a single sentence.
If you didn't mention the word concept or execution, you're wrong.
S&I is about three things:
1) Suggesting concepts for roblox to make.
AKA Suggest ideas.
2) Changing the execution of concepts roblox has made.
Basically, changing an existing update.
3) Replacing a concept's execution.
The third one's a bit awkward in that it never gets used, but the price floor is an example of why it’s here.
http://blog.roblox.com/2013/09/price-floor-t-shirts-shirts-and-pants/
Turn your attention to this bit:
"Why are we making this change? There are three main reasons:
1.Raise the quality of items in the catalog.
2.Reward makers and sellers of clothing.
3.To incentivize non-paying users to buy ROBUX."
That's the CONCEPT. That's what they wanted the price floor to do.
The price floor is the EXECUTION of those three reasons.
Is it a bad execution? Probably.
Does that make the concept bad? Do you want better catalog items? How about rewarding clothing makers? Those are two good things. Don't argue, I'm right; good things right there. Robux incentives… not so much but still.
We could have made a different way of executing those concepts, like we should have. OR we could have made the price floor execute the concept better, what I made a thread about. (http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=120450155) But instead we whined. What did that get us? Constructive people only reducing the price floor to 100 tix. That's it.
It could have been so much more, but it wasn't. We were destructive, and as a result it was not changed as well as it could be.
Whilst we're on the topic of destruction, they ATTEMPTED to do something good (The concept). They failed (The price floor/execution) but we didn't care. We just flamed them. We flamed someone for something I don't think we can do. In fact, scratch that- We flamed someone for something most of us couldn’t do better at, slugging down those who can. That, as far as I'm concerned, is trolling. Even if it isn't, it's definitely pathetic cretinism."
>"3) Replacing a concept's execution.
The third one's a bit awkward in that it never gets used, but the price floor is an example of why it’s here."
IE, the price floor is the execution of an idea.
Those ideas are good, but the price floor executes them badly.
So its our duty as S&Iers, OUR ENTIRE PURPOSE FOR BEING ON THIS FORUM AND THIS FORUM'S EXISTANCE I WILL ADD, to fix the price floor *OR* replace the price floor.
If you can't correct it, don't criticise it.
If you aren't constructive, your criticism is not worth listening to.
So prove that you're worth listening to;
If you hate the price floor, replace it. That's what you want, do it.
If you can't, why should they listen to you? They should they listen to you and not... let's say, me, who has brought seven different educated and logical suggestions on this thread alone?
It's about worthiness, really. And the more constructive you are, the more worthy you are. Malvus' thread doesn't have a shread of construction in it, and that's why it will never suceed, no matter how big it grows.
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in my opinion, the only reason as to why clothing makers are getting more money is because the items are more expensive
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I haven't fully read your thread due to lack of personal time. My apologies for this.
I shall focus on a sentence you put in your original post.
"I want to make S&I a haven of constructive criticism" or something of the like.
I agree with you, we should have nothing but constructive criticism and people calmly and intelligently discussing what can be improved in ROBLOX. Calm and rational debates between people who know everything about ROBLOX there is to know at that given time.
Sadly, that is not possible. There is a fine line between an ambitious goal and an idealist's dream. Your suggestion here, however, is so far into the "idealist's dream" section that it has exceeded my rating criteria.
Idealists try to achieve perfection in a world where true perfection is impossible.
I'm sure many have told you before, but this idea is too much of a stretch to make it a reality.
Instead, consider making a "Society of S&I Forumers" or "SoSF". A group where you assemble a number of people whom are capable of making "constructive criticism" and thus, also capable of making suggestions. If you make this group influential enough, it soon will be recognized by the more intelligent S&I forumers and in the end, recognized by ROBLOX itself.
Best regards to you and your dream,
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@David
that's the point, though
Even with the 30% market fee that everyone was always complaining about because it cut their profits, clothing makers are making more.
Now instead of getting 7 tix from a 10 tix shirt or pants(which was what a lot of them were IIRC), they're getting 70 tix per sale
Before it was cut by more than 60% they would get 210 per sale
@personarguingwithespeon
They dropped 2/3 of the original price floor price
They went from 300-100
That's 200 tickets not getting sucked out of your "wallet"
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@EdgeCutter:
You're the first one who's told me it's not possible, but...
It is possible.
It's been done in the past, I've saw it done, I've saw that haven disappear from my very eyes, and this thread is going to return that haven to me.
A haven of constructive criticism is the absolute goal. That's my idealism, my opitimism.
But *AN* improvement is fine, even if it's not absolute, and it's more than possible to remove the problem of S&I, destructive criticism, with just a bit of intense moderation.
Even if I don't achieve my absolute goal, I'll still achieve an improvement, a step to my goal. That's all that matters to me.
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Well, bump. |
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it sounds so noble when you put it that way
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I guess so. |
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The thread is absolutely amazing, 100% amazing. This can't be better, it's too good for words.
Utter Support. |
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My thank you, Mr. Zyliox.
Bump. |
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Support.
I even created threads about forcing WNTS.
But I am on S&I too. But just getting less and less.
Respect for you Espithel. You are awesome. |
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frozengaia, I am offended that you didn't even consider linking MY constructive criticism thread that is actually posted in the GROUP DESCRIPTION of the S&I Forumers Crew.
http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=78666712 <-- this is actually an updated version compared to the one in the group desc.
Instead you come along and 1-up me with 6.41680395387 times more words than mine, ooohhh my gosh.
Anyway, you did apply the concept of "constructive > destructive" to a more meaningful situation (and in rich detail) whereas I just clarified and stressed rules which had already existed at some point.
I agree with every point you've mentioned here except for you being arrogant. I think of you as being more... conceited, or egotistical. Someone who's conceited will refer to themselves many times, which I think you do- lololol. |
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Here are the reasons for how significant my thread was, and why it should have been posted here, noob (lol).
supported by Alex4897:
AKA the offical "egg" of the forums, who as you know owns another (once popular) S&I group. He's a legit dood.
supported by Dratini:
I don't know much about him but for some reason he seems like he was an important S&Ier before.
moved from RT to S&I by MasterChiefAlpha and supported by MCA:
Originally I had posted the thread in RT seeming that it was a community suggestion, which in technicality isn't supposed to be in S&I. However, MasterChiefAlpha, a once popular forum moderator (who is resigned now), moved the thread from RT to S&I where it could be read by an appropriate audience. He thanked me for the thought I put into the thread, but I'll just count that as a support.
supported by Aleezybaby0:
Despite his notoriously hateful (DESTRUCTIVE) behavior on S&I, Aleezybaby0 supported.
supported by watevs44:
My trusty co-owner of the S&I Forumers Crew agreed with my viewpoints.
shortly argued with SpeedySeat:
SpeedySeat ended up saying that such personal attack phrases (like "get out idiot") aren't personal attacks even though the rules CLEARLY mentioned in my thread said that they were-- what a moderator says, is.
supported by punkster1234567:
At the time I was co-owner and he was owner of the S&I Forumers Crew, so in addition to supporting what I had to say, he also allowed me to have that thread posted as a guideline in the S&I Forumers Crew description.
supported by VirtualDarks:
I don't know anyone else who can be so nice yet so constructive when addressing suggestions in S&I. Virt is pretty well-known, at least in the crew.
supported by TheNegitivitron:
His posts were beautifully written, and with good justification too.
supported by SCS:
SCS is popular for owning Helpful ROBLOXians (a group of 4,500+), managing the ROBLOX Community Staff and Forum Users group, and being a part of the staff for the LuaLearners group.
supported by frozengaia <--- AKA YOU, ESPITHAWHATEVER:
"This (Or something like this) Should be a sticky/updated into a sticky."
YOUR OWN WORDS. AND YOU FORGOT THEM. >:U!!!
supported by VidaFrezz:
Popular S&Ier in his time, I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong about anyone. Not a "Suggestion and Ideas" poster, a "Snowmans and Idiots" poster.
all supporters:
ben10ultimatealien
jeff1of1greatness
ConverseGirl121
Swordism
Alex4897 (previously mentioned)
Dratini (previously mentioned)
supperpieman
MasterChiefAlpha (!!11!!one!!!)
PokemonEevee
cubs9
Aleezybaby0 (previously mentioned)
bvalere
bigdaddy92
drgn42
me12for34me56
The2012Survivor
jaceyjace
Treticle
pspdude40
watevs44 (previously mentioned)
cooljamiej
SpeedySeat (because he never finished his argument I'm counting it as support)
metanate
PokeShadow77
Hedgehonore
Negativeone
1cooldude361
MacManNinja5
Nigelrtehpwnzor
1204
buzzshockey (similar to Aleezy -- buzz is a rude dude)
ClassyMark
punkster1234567
NightieNight
SonicGuy25
Sydezededer
court2000
VirtualDarks (previously mentioned)
boomer549
ZebraPlox
UltimateGear
TheNegitivitron (previously mentioned -- such beautifully articulated words)
BvalereXD (actually not bvalere, but related somehow)
coldbloodedkiller9
dartman65
zachzachk1999
SCS (previously mentioned)
Coolwhacka
danny12212
FutureLogin
newsbomb
blkendglxy
mrpricetoyou
HotDudeSpicy
mariofan19
StelthBloxxer
GoldNHeart
wastefultreeman
Pengpaw4
frozengaia <--- OMG THAT'S YOU
VidaFrezz (previously mentioned)
WowAnnoyingorange
ShadowSaw98
*takes a deep breath*
Here's the list of users who said that the thread should have been stickied:
Alex4897
jaceyjace
ZebraPlox
zachzachk1999
frozengaia <--- YOU AGAIN? I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS
VidaFrezz
I HOPE YOU FEEL BAD FOR >NOT< HAVING THIS THREAD
http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=71523026 or
http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=78666712 (I didn't include any stats on this thread, though, only on the original)
IN YOUR UNUSUALLY LONG THREAD.
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agm it's MikkelDude!!!!!
I remember MikkelDude as far back as maybe... BC games riots?
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I think I'm going to rename myself mikkeldude12ash |
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