Faltalis
#13347665Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:39 AM GMT

"If you can earn twice the amount going to somewhere else are you going to?" K so your saying the average doctor makes upwards of 400k a year in USA? "I'm sorry I meant the middle and upper class workers." K no problem. "The competition can end up having lower rates than the taxes you pay extra, and it would cost people jobs." That statement is highly flawed and makes no sense.
patsfan07
#13347845Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:42 AM GMT

1. The average doctor does not make that however very good doctors do. 2. The competition between insurance companies brings the rates lower. These rates can be less than the extra taxes that they have to pay for the free health care. Many people have jobs related to medical insurance. If everyone goes to the government those people have no jobs.
Faltalis
#13348040Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:45 AM GMT

So they do not make double the amount of money then. Okay now I understand what you ment by that. In regards to socialist countries this is not causing a problem at all due to the fact that there are no health insurance companies (except the accidental death ones.) so therefore jobs arn't being lost...
patsfan07
#13348216Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:47 AM GMT

Yet the transition in the US would cost jobs.
Faltalis
#13348317Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:49 AM GMT

And this thread is not about America is it? It's about Socialist countries like Sweden, Canada, and Russia.
Ryplayer
#13370146Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:25 PM GMT

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Faltalis
#13378837Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:56 PM GMT

Sweet welcome to the thread =)
tovtov
#13416595Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:37 PM GMT

And The Soviet Union was a UNION. Not a country. Say USSR for a change, eh?\ so It is a Democracy, which is part of Socialism. wrong Capitalism works. If the rich continue to get rich this in turn makes their workers richer. stap on others like stairs how lovely capitaliesm works modern capitalism dont BioIron canada is not socialist Canada has free healthcare and college. That sounds socialist to me. socialist is not free
tovtov
#13416666Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:39 PM GMT

scotland is not socialist no coutnry is socialist in this time
Faltalis
#13420112Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:53 PM GMT

Post only if you know about this topic. Many countries today are socialist. Only 1 country today is truly communist thou, and that is Cuba, and they are a huge sucsess interms of communism.
Dragomir
#13422723Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:40 PM GMT

Yeah, China ain't communist at all, ain't it? Faltalis, say what age are you and what is your country AND why are you "Communist".Tell this, I am curious. And ANSWER. Otherwise your stupidity will overflow.
patsfan07
#13433839Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:46 PM GMT

A note to tovtov. I am referring to modern capitalism. Where the government controls police forces and roads, etc.
Faltalis
#13435119Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:04 AM GMT

Yes you are correct China isn't actually communist, there are many people that live in upper class housing due to high end jobs. And I shall repeat for the 2nd or 3rd time, I am from CANADA I am 17 years old, I'm not repeating this again...frankly I find this quite rude the "tone" of your writing. Communism why do I like it hmm... I like the ideals of the Government having total control, I also like things like the well being of the citizens threw healthcare/education.
Faltalis
#13435440Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:08 AM GMT

Do me a favour Dragomir, go to the first page and scroll down until you see this post: 17 Canada, I've already responed, do like wise or I'll have to asume that you know little to non about this topic. I already know that Patsfan is a very mature person and a good intellectual to discuss topics with and I appriciate that type of discussions. So Dragomir if you try and write/agrue like Patsfan that would be much apperciated. Thanks.
patsfan07
#13435462Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:08 AM GMT

You like the government to have total control?
Faltalis
#13435779Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:12 AM GMT

Not like Totalitarianism where they have more facist ideals, but like the former USSR, I personally would be a loyal citizen and I asume I would be able to get a good government job anyways. Like have control over all alchol (Canada already does this) Education Health Care Army Roads Pretty much everything, but of course everyone would be placed into the jobs that suited them the best. Also Having a very low tolerance for Law breakers. *Note* I'll be back in half an hour I'm going to work out, please stay with me I enjoy debating with you all. =)
tovtov
#13456416Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:37 PM GMT

Faltalis do you know what sosialist mean? patsfan07 so am i and yes capitalism is run over others so you can have a biger house
Faltalis
#13459228Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:15 PM GMT

Obviously I do, get off my thread.
tovtov
#13472444Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:04 PM GMT

sosialism can be summry as this "may all worker unite" no goverment control them no one is better all are equal not anything is free any one is the same
Faltalis
#13473520Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:20 PM GMT

"May All Workers Unite" would better describe communism. Your second line is incorrect Government has control over many things but not everything in socialism. No one is better all are equal is also a statement that is more communist than socialist. "Not anything is free" Nice grammer... that statement makes no sense, if you ment nothing is free that that is incorrect that is Capitalism. Althou if you ment everything is free that is also incorrect that would be a communist statement. "any one is the same" Nice... use proper grammer that made no sense. Thank You for proving many things to me, mainly thou you taught me that you do NOT know what Socialism is. After you read this thou you might have a better understanding.
tovtov
#13491674Friday, August 28, 2009 7:43 AM GMT

Faltalis no cominism bring to each imploied the saem result (same house,same food) sosilaism give you the same amount of money and you cna do as you want with it sosialism have no goverment sosialism gives you money and you do what you want with it any person is a worker sosilaism was made in the indstrial revolotion the largeist use of slaves read what sosialism is in a dictionry or encyclopadia it will not tell you "the goverment is giveing away free things"
Ryplayer
#13502998Friday, August 28, 2009 6:23 PM GMT

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tovtov
#13507193Friday, August 28, 2009 8:05 PM GMT

Ryplayer it guess what would happend
Dragomir
#13508183Friday, August 28, 2009 8:25 PM GMT

Well yeah, if a nuclear war happened, the world would be wasteland. It's not guessing.It's common sense. Stop being so... mean, tovtov.
tovtov
#13509295Friday, August 28, 2009 8:52 PM GMT

no it guessing that there would be nuclear war