ExtulsJoin Date: 2009-01-02
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Oh, what memories. The days when Meelo was in charge. I also remember when you got banned, and had to switch over to your other account (Varp). Though, I don't think I ever knew why.
Oh well.
Anyways, you had great power, and you pointed things out to many people. Was all of it true? Maybe now. But you could possibly be a big reason we've got people constantly complaining about everything ROBLOX does. Of course, this always happened, but you may have increased it.
Now, my recent argument to all these types of posts has been that it is the community that changes things, and it does not have to do with the moderators.
So, shall I try it here?
I think so.
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What happened to the good old days when you could program something and it got used? What happened to the times when quality was linked to popularity? What happened to the bygone days where stuff was free? What happened to ROBLOX?
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"What happened to the good old days when you could program something and it got used?"
Well, it just doesn't happen anymore. That's not really up to the mods, that's all in the users.
"What happened to the times when quality was linked to popularity?"
Quality and popularity are not the same, nor will they ever be the same. But, in the eyes of modern society, it is, and it is actually an issue. If quality is no longer linked to popularity, that is a good thing.
"What happened to the bygone days where stuff was free?"
Free? Huh. Nothing is free in business.
ROBLOX wants money.
The users playing want tickets and ROBUX.
"What happened to ROBLOX?"
The community changed.
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A long time ago, there were no cars. There were no planes. There were no guns, arrows, or swords. There were no turrets. There was no lava. All those things the average user takes for granted now. All can be attributed to one group: Programmers. Now, after 2 years of the same ol', we're running out of ideas.Updates, which should be HELPING the stem of ROBLOX's success are eradicating them. We've, without warning, lost parts of the API. We've had updates that shadowed our developments. We've, overall, been neglected. ROBLOX's golden age is over. The programming societies are crumbling. They've been infiltrated, disrespected, and eviscerated. A year ago, I could say, "I'm a programmer", and command respect. Now, I'm infamous for doing the exact same things. It would only take 1 or 2 major new things to fix all this - but, alas, ROBLOX hasn't heard us.
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"A long time ago, there were no cars. There were no planes. There were no guns, arows, or swords. There were no turrets. There was no lava. All those things the average user takes for granted now."
Well, as you basically said here, it is all the users. Nothing you say is going to change the actions of the users either.
"We've, overall, been neglected. ROBLOX's golden age is over."
It really is. But, we're not neglected. A huge amount of players started coming into ROBLOX, and they weren't ready for it. Now, they have to make their best attempt at raising their income. Welcome the age of BC, where BC gets all, and NBC is stuck with what we already have, slowly having things taken away from us.
"A year ago, I could say, "I'm a programmer", and command respect. Now, I'm famous for doing the exact same things. It would only take 1 or 2 major new things to fix all this - but, alas, ROBLOX hasn't heard us."
Well, being a programmer shouldn't be enough to gain respect. Respect is for respectful people. To gain respect, you must give respect. But how did it all start then? Well, someone must've been a pretty generous person.
But, that's not the point.
The point is, this is all still in the community. ROBLOX cannot change what we do, what our ideas are, how we use our ideas, or who we pay attention to. That is within our own freedom and choice.
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Unlike programmers, ROBLOX seems very aware of another group: Forumers. They, while they are certainly more prominent to the admins, are far more oppressed than programmers. Rather than just a few bad updates, but nothing more, they get to deal with trigger happy mod-bots, insane spammers, unpredictable moderators and a dead society. When I joined, the forums were a place of mostly intelligent discussion and stuff. "Off-Topic" was where I could relax, not sift through loads of spam. "Suggestions & Ideas" was a place I could debate ideas, not a place full of spammers and people who can't be civilized. "Scripters/Scripting Help" used to be a place where we could discuss various topics with intelligent people, and give some help, not get discredited, spammed, and have my reputation stolen by non-programmers. It used to be you could post just about anything within reason, now if it CAN be used badly it must go. You used to be able to express your opinion in a spam free forum - now any human emotion is bannable. The society is diluted by noobs to the point where the forums are unusable. Unfortunately, there is not much ROBLOX can do to fix this. Exodus to a decent forum is the only option, and that must be on a personal level.
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"Unlike programmers, ROBLOX seems very aware of another group: Forumers. They, while they are certainly more prominent to the admins, are far more oppressed than programmers."
Forumers on the S&I are somewhat the future of ROBLOX. Or, at least they should be. Sure, they do need awareness from the moderators, but ROBLOX should be paying equal attention to all groups on ROBLOX, not just one.
"Rather than just a few bad updates, but nothing more, they get to deal with trigger happy mod-bots, insane spammers, unpredictable moderators and a dead society. When I joined, the forums were a place of mostly intelligent discussion and stuff. "Off-Topic" was where I could relax, not sift through loads of spam. "Suggestions & Ideas" was a place I could debate ideas, not a place full of spammers and people who can't be civilized. "Scripters/Scripting Help" used to be a place where we could discuss various topics with intelligent people, and give some help, not get discredited, spammed, and have my reputation stolen by non-programmers."
Once again, your rant here is pointless. This is all in the users, not the moderators.
"It used to be you could post just about anything within reason, now if it CAN be used badly it must go. You used to be able to express your opinion in a spam free forum - now any human emotion is bannable. The society is diluted by noobs to the point where the forums are unusable. Unfortunately, there is not much ROBLOX can do to fix this. Exodus to a decent forum is the only option, and that must be on a personal level."
This is because ROBLOX does have good users who mean no harm, but there are users who do mean harm. ROBLOX has to take safety precautions because of this harmful users, for the safety and well-being of their users, and their reputation.
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Now, ROBLOX isn't ignorant or abusive of ALL it's members. ROBLOX usually pays a lot of attention to where they think the cycle begins - Builders. Builders have it pretty good - they still have unaddressed wants and stuff, but they get basically every update. They also get most the credit and recognition from ROBLOX and other users - it doesn't matter who made the lava, or the awesome cars. They put them in a place. ROBLOX lets even the dumbest of the dumb able to make stuff. Free Models are mostly populated by stuff programmers made, and builders use. They made materials, which were already doable without the update. At the cost of programmers, they even made VehicleSeats, which truly proves they think builders will help them more. While they will get more cash lining their golden pants this way, as they are a majority, it is not permanent. Enough of the same stuff will travel down the chain - but it will eventually be that builder's are the last link. Now, I don't blame builders for all their joy at the cost of programmers, but ROBLOX is at fault for favoritism.
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"Now, ROBLOX isn't ignorant or abusive of ALL it's members. ROBLOX usually pays a lot of attention to where they think the cycle begins - Builders. Builders have it pretty good - they still have unaddressed wants and stuff, but they get basically every update."
Because they payed.
"They also get most the credit and recognition from ROBLOX and other users - it doesn't matter who made the lava, or the awesome cars. They put them in a place. ROBLOX lets even the dumbest of the dumb able to make stuff. Free Models are mostly populated by stuff programmers made, and builders use. They made materials, which were already doable without the update. At the cost of programmers, they even made VehicleSeats, which truly proves they think builders will help them more. While they will get more cash lining their golden pants this way, as they are a majority, it is not permanent. Enough of the same stuff will travel down the chain - but it will eventually be that builder's are the last link. Now, I don't blame builders for all their joy at the cost of programmers, but ROBLOX is at fault for favoritism."
Sure, favoritism is bad. But, ROBLOX tries to work with their users. What the users pay attention to, ROBLOX pays attention to. Why? So that they can expand upon what the users pay attention to, since it will be noticed that way.
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There is basically one group - probably the least important - that ROBLOX treats like royalty. The masses. They probably haven't done anything extraordinary and exceptional. They probably can't program. They're probably not the best builders. They are mundane. While they form communities within themselves, as ROBLOX users, they are consumers, not producers. I don't have anything against them, but they are certainly ROBLOX's favorite. ROBLOX gives them updates on a weekly, or even daily basis - content updates. Don't the admins have better things to do than make CONTENT? Have they forgotten what user-created-content means? This group just gives ROBLOX money by the hundreds - ROBLOX gives every feature they can imagine to them. They still complain, but ROBLOX only has so much manpower, and they're not going to use it for the game. They're going to use it for the economy.
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This one is pretty much business. When they pay attention to certain groups more than others, they get more money, and that's what they want.
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Evidently, ROBLOX's programmers are not the great "bedroom programmers". They are not the "freeware activists". They are not the "free game" they claim to be. They have their eyes set on only 1 thing - Money. They do not look at the indirect routes. They want money, and they want it now. I believe that if they ever want to better their game with not much effort, they should be giving stuff to the programmers.
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They should pay more attention to the programmers, but they don't. They're worried about money, and it blinds them to how the programmers are the people that make everything script-able in-game.
But, ROBLOX is free to play, so it is a free game. Though, times have changed, and it has shifted a little away from being free, but still holds the ability to be called free.
They're clever when they get into people's heads, and a lot of people fall into it. Welcome to the world of business.
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