Can someone give me historic examples of something

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#157659088Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:19 AM GMT

I know this has happened in history before, but does anyone know of any examples of individual citizens gaining more power than the government using dirty methods

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#157659130Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:20 AM GMT

american revolution

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#157659237Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:21 AM GMT

No I mean people like Pablo Escobar

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#157659320Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:22 AM GMT

"No I mean people like Pablo Escobar" ...who's that?

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#157659387Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:23 AM GMT

Look him up it's a fun read

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#157659438Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:24 AM GMT

Al Capwn? Notorious bootlegger.

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#157659504Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:25 AM GMT

Probably Al Capone that guy was rolling in dollar bills until the 21st amendment was passed so mean if money is how we're measuring power this guy is making millions a year smuggling alcohol into the US Let him curse my name/On these bloodstained pages of misery/Let him call me a tyrant so cruel/Let him curse my name/But remember the truth

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#157659556Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:25 AM GMT

Oh yeah Al Capone is a good one Can anyone give me more obscure ones though

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#157659625Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:27 AM GMT

Ask any person who's played a rogue in D&D or any tapletop RPG they probably drew inspiration from SOMEWHERE Let him curse my name/On these bloodstained pages of misery/Let him call me a tyrant so cruel/Let him curse my name/But remember the truth

Mantine55

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#157659724Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:28 AM GMT

shoguns maybe? because they indirectly controlled the government or well idk does being more powerful than a puppet government count?

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#157659865Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:31 AM GMT

@Mantine Weren't shoguns essentially emperors, even though the actual emperor appointed them Let him curse my name/On these bloodstained pages of misery/Let him call me a tyrant so cruel/Let him curse my name/But remember the truth

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#157659893Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:31 AM GMT

i'm not really sure of your question any time you have direct power, you have your own sort of government this probably won't count either but rasputin because he rose to power through dirty methods and arguably became more powerful than the person who gave him power due to his religious influence over the tsaritsa

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#157659940Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:32 AM GMT

"Weren't shoguns essentially emperors, even though the actual emperor appointed them" yeah but not nominally so they ruled through a puppet government

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#157659976Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:33 AM GMT

i'm basically asking if emperors were pretty much figureheads Let him curse my name/On these bloodstained pages of misery/Let him call me a tyrant so cruel/Let him curse my name/But remember the truth

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#157660045Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:34 AM GMT

oh never mind I think what he means is people or groups who gained so much power or money or influence that they actually posed a threat to the government Let him curse my name/On these bloodstained pages of misery/Let him call me a tyrant so cruel/Let him curse my name/But remember the truth