av83rJoin Date: 2009-07-28
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Really, I'm not even asking for much.
If I mix x part with y part in z way, and it will always crash, fine. I'm ok with that because it clearly follows a logical progression.
What I don't want to see is if I mix x part with y part in z way, who knows? lets role a dice and see what happens, maybe it will work, maybe we'll crash, maybe we'll say it can't be done. Why? because we like you, that's why!
The last one is unacceptable. And that is the way CSG works right now. |
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TixPileJoin Date: 2013-06-25
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learn to use it, or...
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Don't you dare chastize me, DerProg. All I did was copy and paste the text from the microsoft website. If you wanna whine, whine to them. I'm not interested. |
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FishEye18Join Date: 2012-11-11
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FIRST OFF CALM DOWN.
SERIOUSLY.
NOW.
Unions are not perfect, this is why you need to save constantly using them.
The people telling you that your computer is a hunk of old Microsoft crap are not lying. You do need to have decent hardware in order to handle the data of the union coming in FROM THE ROBLOX SERVERS.
Also, that tower of yours is to damn huge.
If you think I'm lying, I've had quite my own fair share of studio crashes over this.
But I didn't run to the forums to get so pissed that my heart exploded killing me.
Best option, manual save before any union operation. Also, try rotating things, as the union system can be rather racist you could say against things with odd sizes and angles. |
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8sgJoin Date: 2014-12-24
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I think you misspelled onions. |
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av83rJoin Date: 2009-07-28
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@fisheye Despite your complete inept knowledge of my LAPTOP COMPUTER, you seem to be one of the more knowledgeable ones here on the subject of the absolutely atrocious union system.
Saving early and often is not a solution. Most unions if you get over 16 parts with will not allow you to union further/separate in a reload should a crash happen. This means everything has to be done in one session. |
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FishEye18Join Date: 2012-11-11
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I got 258 triangles from you trying to union 32 wedges, which is well under the limit.
Also, some times rebooting studio helps make impossible possible and vice versa with the union system. Its a weird part of it. |
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I admit the union system is imperfect, and I said so many times.
The problems you're experiencing are a combination of YOUR hardware, YOUR OS, YOUR installation of rbx studio, YOUR connection to rbx, and what's in YOUR registry.
"XP is done for..." And Windows 7 has replaced it. Windows 8 is nice, yes, but it has its own issues (mainly relating to bad design choices). Some of those issues are fixing bugs under the hood, which have been left for so long that some programs rely on them. Not saying that rbx studio relies on those bugs, but it's definitely a factor.
Oh, the Surface RT is most definitely a computer. A tablet computer perhaps, but still a computer. The same way a smartphone is a small computer, the same way my wristwatch is a computer. The same way an $9001 gaming rig is a computer. It computes. Yes, by this logic a blender is a computer, (technically its controller is), but tablet computers are called tablet COMPUTERS for a reason.
Unions are calculated LOCALLY. Then they, along with their physics models, are EXPORTED to the server. This means that unions are MESHES. Granted, they're made from primitives, but they're still MESHES.
What I did figure out that likes to error is if you try to union an infinitely thin piece or edge. |
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"Don't you dare chastize me, DerProg. All I did was copy and paste the text from the microsoft website. If you wanna whine, whine to them. I'm not interested."
I'm not "chastizing" you, nor am I chastising, you. If you do not know the subject you're talking about, then you don't belong in the conversation. The fact that you literally said the same thing for Windows 8 and Windows 7 and had no clue they were essentially the same, means you're ignorant and continuing to post ignorance is not contributing to the subject at hand.
"And no, a SurfaceRT is not a computer, call it for what it is: A tablet. Last I checked, tablets are not computers. And it doesn't even take a system administrator to figure that out. So yes, I have done my research quite well."
A tablet is a form of computer, by definition.
Computer : "is a general-purpose device that can be programmed to carry out a set of arithmetic or logical operations automatically. Since a sequence of operations can be readily changed, the computer can solve more than one kind of problem."
The only thing that's different from a tablet and a desktop, or maybe even laptop, might be the type of components (obviously smaller). A tablet might use an ARM processor, or it might not, but essentially, like smartphones, a tablet is a form of a computer. Your ignorance is appalling.
"Unions are calculated LOCALLY. Then they, along with their physics models, are EXPORTED to the server. This means that unions are MESHES. Granted, they're made from primitives, but they're still MESHES."
This is essentially what I don't think he understands, at some point your computer is going to be doing calculations and difference OS and processors do math differently.
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av83rJoin Date: 2009-07-28
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This is why no one can carry out a serious conversation here. You trolls come to this forum and intentionally try to ruin good ideas.
For example: When you see an ipad, I'm sure the first word that comes to mind is not "computer" of course because you are trolls, you will tell me it is when in reality the first word that comes to mind will be "tablet".
EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. |
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TixPileJoin Date: 2013-06-25
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GET A BETTER COMPUTER. CASE CLOSED.
get noscoped |
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TixPileJoin Date: 2013-06-25
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also if u dont have enough, u must live in a cardboard box
get noscoped |
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"For example: When you see an ipad, I'm sure the first word that comes to mind is not "computer" of course because you are trolls, you will tell me it is when in reality the first word that comes to mind will be "tablet". "
You're either a troll, or an idiot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_computer
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av83rJoin Date: 2009-07-28
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And I'm sure you also say you have 10 fingers when a thumb is not a finger.
gtfo troll. You're done here. |
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Computer: an electronic device for storing and processing data, typically in binary form, according to instructions given to it in a variable program.
ALL phones, ALL tablets, ALL laptops, ALL desktops fit that definition. So yes a tablet is a computer and if you call me a troll one more time you're either an idiot or you're a troll. Please back up your claims with some logic next time. |
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FishEye18Join Date: 2012-11-11
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Derprogrammierer has a point about the computers.
But considering it is completely missing the point of him trying to make a a large union, it is irrelevant.
As a person who uses a crap ton of unions to make all my tools for lag reduction, this is my general trouble shooting method:
1] Union only a few parts at a time.
2] Union one part after another until there is one or more that will not be a Union, and reposition/resize them.
3] If no method works, then i save and try a single studio reboot. If that does not work, then I give in and use a composite model of half unions, half parts, and remove outlines from the parts to make things fit together better.
With high detail items I just use minimap, and script in a custom hitbox navmesh.
And if you didn't see before, the first day Unions did come out, the output window was filled with red and yellow text from every single union, and was essentially mass spam. It performs the necessary calculations to make a union on your computer, and if your computer is like my old netbook, it tends to end in a fatal crash.
If you do have excessive crashing however, its best to reinstall roblox completely, as the game could have gotten a corrupt file and caused all this. roblox updates only fix and change specific parts, not everything.
Hopes this helps.
Although, if you open the output box, and keep it open when you perform a union and it crashes, you can still read the last text printed, if I can see that I might be able to see what is wrong. |
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av83rJoin Date: 2009-07-28
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I'll take you up on your offer fish eye. |
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"But considering it is completely missing the point of him trying to make a a large union, it is irrelevant."
I never stated that there was a problem with this, you're thinking of PowerTool.
"It performs the necessary calculations to make a union on your computer"
Different OSes and different processors do math differently which is why you can result in an error or worse calculations, which is what I said, and I also said they are done on you're computer (which av83r disagreed with). |
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av83rJoin Date: 2009-07-28
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Stop clogging up my thread with your trash talk der, either support, do not support, or provide a solution. Your options are laid out, choose one and gtfo. |
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"Stop clogging up my thread with your trash talk der, either support, do not support, or provide a solution. Your options are laid out, choose one and gtfo."
I don't support idiots and their "ideas" or "suggestions". Maybe if you knew how the system worked, then maybe I just might, but then again knowing that you don't know what the different between a computer and a tablet computer, I still probably wouldn't support, because that's a new kind of stupid. |
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FishEye18Join Date: 2012-11-11
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You got it easy.
Today I had a place with 13k+ parts crash in studio on me TRYING TO SAVE IT.
You normally save places TO KEEP THEM FROM BEING LOST WHEN IT CRASHES.
BUT CRASHING WHEN YOU SAVE, JESUS ROBLOX WTF IS YOUR ISSUE!? |
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TixPileJoin Date: 2013-06-25
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@op
get a better computer instead of complainign
get noscoped ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
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"BUT CRASHING WHEN YOU SAVE, JESUS ROBLOX WTF IS YOUR ISSUE!?"
Serializing data isn't entirely the easiest thing to do. |
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FishEye18Join Date: 2012-11-11
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When I got a Windows 8 computer(because it was the only thing available and you can't buy windows 7 on new desktops any more...), roblox was having a lot of compatibility issues with it for a period of time. I think it still is, with saving roblox places. I decided after the last crash to auto save every 3 minutes. :P |
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