patrick199999
#166972476Wednesday, July 08, 2015 11:27 PM GMT

i already got all the shirts i need now lol
catgogo5
#166987451Thursday, July 09, 2015 2:03 AM GMT

Patrick is good with priorities.
SupremeDragonZarc
#166988073Thursday, July 09, 2015 2:09 AM GMT

Support. Because NBC'ers also have the price floors to deal with.... I CAN SEE THE FUTURE!!!!!
romana16
#166988827Thursday, July 09, 2015 2:16 AM GMT

Support
catgogo5
#167040545Thursday, July 09, 2015 4:50 PM GMT

"Support. Because NBC'ers also have the price floors to deal with...." .... the price floor? Why didn't i think of that? On top of all the mayhem, 100 tix shirts... No uploading... Even if we could upload, If we bought clothes, WE wouldn't get much profit back at all... I'll make a FULL argument that explains why TOO MUCH burden, But it won't be today, or tomorrow... Sadly, i'm as damn lazy, as the fuzz, I don't want to type too much... I am trying my best to become a better sword fighter.... Not even this forum shall stop me, Adios. Be back...later... If not, tommorow.
patrick199999
#167144892Friday, July 10, 2015 4:19 PM GMT

k i am an nbc and got all the shirts i need lol well all i have to say is, chu should've known it would've been coming.
catgogo5
#167151770Friday, July 10, 2015 5:35 PM GMT

You look great. I have all the clothes i'd wanna wear... Unless i became a bad person... I have Ike Fierce Deity Link Almost have a full Doomknight Set I got the BEST Jedi robes out there. I got Sora's clothes[KH2] I got Rebel Stormtrooper I got Anakin and Obi-wan I got monkey I got noob I got Starkiller... And finally, Hiccup. That's about it.... What? I cosplay.... I mostly dress as a Jedi...and Hiccup[HTTYD] I actually BELONG to a group revolving around HTTYD, Not mine, but i'm Hiccup.
DrCamper
#167158982Friday, July 10, 2015 6:54 PM GMT

no support pls go away you clothing copier
Thetrollofepicness
#167162613Friday, July 10, 2015 7:36 PM GMT

"Actually, something happened, I won. You lost." I didn't lose anything, you lost. NBC never got the ability back, they never deserved it.
SupremeDragonZarc
#167167363Friday, July 10, 2015 8:28 PM GMT

@Thetroll I hate explaining things to people. We DO deserve it. The fact that we need to get 100 tix to buy one piece of clothing would take 10 days. If we wanted to buy the other piece of clothing that goes with it, if any, would be another 10 days. In total 20 days. You see being an NBC would be much easier if there were no price floors. The fact that there even are price floors means the mods don't care about NBC's at all.
Tenako
#167180284Friday, July 10, 2015 10:38 PM GMT

@Xon NBCs never deserved this, this was suppose to be a BC feature. That group was abusing their ability. So that's when the admins took action.
Xaruis
#167182138Friday, July 10, 2015 10:57 PM GMT

Honestly. I'm perfectly fine with this update.
romana16
#167182842Friday, July 10, 2015 11:04 PM GMT

I once made a shirt only to find out I can't sell it. Nothing more.
TheGreatestOfToms
#167182908Friday, July 10, 2015 11:04 PM GMT

What is Link doing on the forums
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catgogo5
#167248807Saturday, July 11, 2015 3:49 PM GMT

Allow me to assess the situation, By dealing with EVERYONE'S points. "Actually, something happened, I won. You lost." - Me "I didn't lose anything, you lost. NBC never got the ability back, they never deserved it." - Troll Actually, You lost, stop contradicting yourself with bullcrap. NBC not getting stuff means i lost? Go read a book, you need one. It's not YOUR call, whether NBC deserves something, You're in no position to dictate whether a deserving person, Deserves at all, It's especially not ROBLOX'S job either. You don't get to assume a deserving person, just because you Dislike someone else. That's Slander, you prejudiced idiot. "@Thetroll I hate explaining things to people. We DO deserve it. The fact that we need to get 100 tix to buy one piece of clothing would take 10 days. If we wanted to buy the other piece of clothing that goes with it, if any, would be another 10 days. In total 20 days. You see being an NBC would be much easier if there were no price floors. The fact that there even are price floors means the mods don't care about NBC's at all." - Zondou You got a GREAT point, it's perfectly VALID, Let me explain how, in a Full argument: We must wait TEN days, for ONE shirt, and 10 more for PANTS. 2 days, for clothes... BC can buy like 25 pairs of clothes in an HOUR. 20 days? They can buy like... 500 sets of clothes. AND hats.... What the hell is wrong with this? Well....Not that you mention it... 1 pair of clothes vs 500 = Unfair system Why is it, BC gets a CRAP LOAD of clothes per day, When NBC can barely scrap by with only ONE every 10 days? It's not one's job, or sworn duty, to dictate, and invalidate, one's innocence. It is not your job to do such to put down one's worth, People deserve stuff REGARDLESS of how much you denounce them. Deserve refers to the value one has, with unpaid reward. "do something or have or show qualities worthy of (reward or punishment)." - Wiki So, roblox is implying they're going to ignore the worthy, And simply crap on their worth, and give NO such reward? You, good sir, are a genius, Xon. "@Xon NBCs never deserved this, this was suppose to be a BC feature. That group was abusing their ability. So that's when the admins took action." - Tenako Again, what gives you the right to decide who's deserving, or not? Here's a few reasons why your argument is invalid: "Some people can learn from the past." Others might not, but SOME *WILL* "Not every NBC copies." Again, you may have seen a copier, but that DOESN'T apply to all NBC. "Some NBC don't upload, ever" Some people simply don't upload, But if they ever decided to upload? At this point, they deserved it, And you STOLE that from them. You don't make those choices, Only the beholder of the worth, can decide their worth. You are not ME, and You're not BENDYGUTS, or KLAWS123 You're not anyone else, YOU. ARE. YOU. I am not YOU, I am ME, MYSELF, and I. I don't get to dictate, nor AM I, who deserves to upload, or not, At first glance, you see NBC as ALL the same, But that's naive, and naive people are arrogant, and don't THINK. "Honestly. I'm perfectly fine with this update." - Zaruis I'm with you, in a way, I, Myself, Don't even upload, I steal uniforms from other groups...I regret nothing, My stealing uniforms, could be considered promoting the group. *Wears Vak Uniform* Now, am I NOT promoting Vak? People might actually JOIN vak at this point...or not... Vak is a bad group. "I once made a shirt only to find out I can't sell it. Nothing more." - Romana16 That's called uploading, the way you said it though... You once made a shirt, no big deal, right? You found out you couldn't sell it, seems legit, seems safe... Nothing more, Nothing at all, This nothingness is a Void... Nothing happens, it's cold, quiet, and calm... ^ Best Description of Nothing. "It's funny how productive doing nothing can be." "What is Link doing on the forums?" I'm here, to save Roblox, the First Barrier of Time. If Roblox falls, Hyrule is lost! "ROBLOX is supposed to be a gaming site, and clothing is just an extra. srsly o_o" Ikr, when did roblox dictate something so irrelevant? Actually, I couldn't give a Effie what roblox does, for 5 reasons: Because Life...nuff said Because roblox is corrupt, and don't commit to their own people... I'm serious, AREN'T the PEOPLE what keeps roblox alive? Take advantage of the people, and lose them. And what do you get? A dead site, because some idiot ruined it for others.
catman8321
#167250202Saturday, July 11, 2015 4:06 PM GMT

Every time catgogo5 replies to this thread, a child goes hungry in the world. Rev Up Those Gulags!
walrus112
#167250456Saturday, July 11, 2015 4:09 PM GMT

Support, I can't even use the ability I have in Guest Illuminati - it's very disappointing knowing that that Guest Shirt can't be put back in store without the owner coming in to help. This could also be a large problem with a group with an NBC leader, and no BC members high enough in the group to publish instead.
catgogo5
#167268294Saturday, July 11, 2015 7:49 PM GMT

"Every time catgogo5 replies to this thread, a child goes hungry in the world" Every time you reply, A child needs to go to a hospital for Raip. You dumbass.....The text below just embarrassed you. "Support, I can't even use the ability I have in Guest Illuminati" A group, and you'll see why this feature is important. "It's very disappointing knowing that A Guest Shirt can't be put back in store without the owner coming in to help." That stinks, doesn't it? Not being able to contribute to a group, where your JOB is to contribute. "This could also be a large problem with a group with an NBC leader," I hear you, I am an NBC leader, and can't even make uniforms, I am bad at uniform making anyway...<- I never even tried though... And to top it all off, NONE of my members are able to Upload for me. Uploading is a natural feature, for the 9th time. It's what keeps a group active, It's what helps a group GROW. It's what keeps the group going FORWARD If I can't upload, the first uniform, the group isn't going onward. And if my members can't do it for me, it's still the same scenario. Can't have an official uniform, and won't get anywhere. Can't promote the group with a uniform we don't have. "and no BC members high enough in the group to publish instead." This is a problem, The very ESSENCE of a group, is the ability to upload as a first action. And a action for the future... People must UPDATE their group uniform, with new designs, But we can't if we aren't given that option... You see the dark side of an immoral decision.... Groups aren't given their fullest responsibilities, And no new groups can grow, This implies, roblox wasted their group system, and took advantage of newer groups... I don't care what B.S you got... "It's a new group, the owner must still have BC, right?" Not always the case, There's still the matter of creating the uniform in the first place. "But if had prepared the Uploads before making the group, Shouldn't he have made them?" What if the owner lost BC 3 days after creating the uniform? You can't SELL it, granted, you lost BC. But still, the least you can do, is allow a group to ponder their stuff, it's none of your damn business what a group sells. There's still the matter of UPLOADING new uniforms in the future. "What if they had it planned ahead of time?" You're an idiot, If they HAD planned it, they'd use the UPDATED[Better] Uniform, And not the OUTDATED[First] Uniform. Not to mention, they still couldn't upload it, without BC, And BC is a luxury, few can afford, Poverty Welfare Robbery Bribery Assault Shopping Rent Bills etc. Not everyone can pay for BC, Take note, people know this for a FACT, LIFE isn't easy You need to work a job to live To feed your family And you can either get Demoted, promoted, or fired Your job may not even pay well... Japanese animators get 1 buck per animation frame. A full animation, let's assume it's 10 frames, is 10 bucks. A Animation job is AMERICA pays like, 10 per frame, If i recall. 1 dollar is illegal in America, the minimum wage is too low. Some people are rumored to commit suicide in japan, for such low pay. Let me look up how WRONG i am about Japan's Animation jobs. Japan's Animation Industry isn't just tough, It's "Illegally Harsh" Says American Artist. By Amid Amidi on Sunday March 8, 2015 11:51 pm "American animator Henry Thurlow moved to Tokyo to live out his dream of creating anime in the Japanese animation industry." Little did he know, of the pay... "It took him four years to become good enough to get hired at a studio." YEARS? For such a small amount of money? You'll probably not get to live a dream, you'll die before then. "When he finally achieved his goal, he discovered work conditions that were nothing short of slave labor, with studios paying as low as $25 per week." 25 per WEEK Let's divide by this. 25 dollars, for every 7 days... 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18, 21 <- nope, not 25 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24, 28 <- Nope, too much. 3.5, 7, 10.5, 14, 17.5, 21, 24.5 <- Oh crap, this 3.5 division is close. Glad i didn't divide by like, 16...-_- If i had, it'd by like, 70 bucks. "Says Thurlow to Buzzfeed:" <- THE buzzfeed. “Let’s just be clear: It’s not a ‘tough’ industry… It’s an ‘illegally harsh’ industry. They don’t pay you even remotely minimum wage, they overwork you to the point where people are vomiting at work and having to go to the hospital for medicine." Poverty? Slave labor? Illegally being accountable for abusing your people. "They demand that you come in whenever they realize a deadline isn’t going to be met." To fire you, probably? You just don't pay you...gg. "That probably means about a month and a half of nonstop work without a single day off." Roblox staff have it EASY in this context. "Then you will be allowed to go back to your regular six-day workweeks of 10-hour days." 10 hours...THIS is 150% of what LIFE itself IS. You don't live the easiest life, You work to buy food, water, internet. You might not even get ENOUGH for BC on roblox. "No one talks, or gets lunch together or anything." They're scared of the low pay, and MUST get the job done, You they'll not make it through their life. "They just sit and work in complete silence and seem uninterested in changing this." Well? Any Objections, lady? "Thurlow, whose credits at Japanese studios include Nakamura-Productions and Pierrot Studios, has ended up in the hospital three times due to exhaustion and illness. Amazingly, he still thinks the experience has been worth it because the anime projects he’s worked on in Japan have been more creatively satisfying than American productions:" Hospital trips, 3 times.... He's probably scared of losing his job, if he speaks out. If that's not the case, something's dreadfully wrong with him. “When I was working as an animator in New York I could afford an apartment, buy stuff, and had time to ‘live a life.’ But the artist inside of me was screaming at the fact I wasn’t making really high-quality feature films and series. Now everything about my life is utterly horrible, however the artist in me is completely satisfied.” This, by itself, is conjecture. You must 'have a life' to animate for japan. Dying, for the sake of animating, is a sick goal, Sure, you entertain others, for the SAKE of others... But if you die too soon, who's going to animate for the people? You can't be so arrogant and foolish, If it was for the people, and the "artist inside" You'd live, for that reason, So they can continue to live on, seeing your animations. This sentiment is almost like a Suicide note. In a Reddit AMA that Thurlow did, he gave more details on the poor pay of anime studios: "The amount of money you earn from day to day changes … since it’s based on how many frame you draw." That's probably a BAD thing. "On Monday I might draw simple corrections on a whole bunch of frame (adding effects that were forgotten by other animators, or “Kii energy” or something like that) resulting in me being able to draw 40 drawings in one day and make over $150 depending on the series." 150 isn't like, the 300 one makes in an average job. You need like 50 bucks or more, for the Water bill. 100 money left... Plus the Power bill[assuming you don't use sun power] another 50+ 50 money left... The Food you eat? Let's assume you spent 15 dollars. 45 money left... And not to mention RENT 50 bucks, maybe? Let's assume it's only 25 20 bucks. 20 isn't good enough, to pay for movies, games, roblox, It's not good enough to pay the Internet bill...maybe 20 bucks? 0 bucks remain, Not even enough money to pay for hospitals, Not enough to pay for Gas Not enough for a new car, if the old one breaks down, Not enough for a motorcycle. Not enough for a wedding ring, Not enough to pay for damages to your house, Not enough for anything but dollar tree... Pay for clothes? Nope, No clothes either... The least of your worries, is bills... The worst to happen, is someone mugs you, and runs of with the money. Or you end up in debt.... "Tuesday-Thursday however, I might have to do the trace-back and inbetweens for a super detailed shot from Tokyo Ghoul (which is really fun btw)…but results in me only drawing 5 frames per day each of those days ($12 a day or so)." Not that good, ugh. "Each month at Pierrot I earn about $1000." 1000 in REAL LIFE, not in fantasy, is a small amount. The average person, has around 3800, just not on their person. Rich people have around 6000+. "Each month at my previous “slave-labor” studio, I earned about $300 a month." 300 a month? 3600 bucks a year. Not exactly a good amount, You still get 12 a day, or less... It varies by the time per frame, Some people don't get 12 a day, 360 a month, and not 3000+ a year. This reflects greatly on roblox personally, these factors don't directly relate to roblox, but instead, revolve around the concept and example of roblox, and the context in which it is shown.
nastylightningboy
#167269278Saturday, July 11, 2015 8:00 PM GMT

oh goodness close this thread already
catman8321
#167270115Saturday, July 11, 2015 8:08 PM GMT

oh goodness close this thread already [2] Rev Up Those Gulags!
xDisturbance
#167270192Saturday, July 11, 2015 8:09 PM GMT

oh goodness close this thread already [2] GG. Next!
Twaxx
#167271247Saturday, July 11, 2015 8:20 PM GMT

Support. I need to be able to upload shirts (not to copy) but to simply make shirts that I want to upload. I don't want to pay 5$ a month just so I can do this. And if anyone is complaining about NBC's copying, they can't even put it on sale anyways.
slayer2506
#167271522Saturday, July 11, 2015 8:23 PM GMT

You're meant to have BC to upload shirts. Here's your happy median: Make it to where NBC can upload clothing but not sell them. Problems: Loopholes, an NBC could upload a item. A customer could buy access to a place, then copy and upload their clothing to be used. Yada-yada... You should really consider getting over this, as roblox needs money to function and making it to where NBC's can have loopholes to everything and not contribute to roblox would cause roblox's downfall. Roblox isn't runescape- BTW sue runescape for false advertisement. "Freeplayers can do everything Members can but it takes longer!" That isn't true, then after suing you can buy all the BC you want1!1111!!
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#167273029Saturday, July 11, 2015 8:42 PM GMT

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