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Regarding my exile and branding of a 'traitor', I apologize for these actions:
1. Changing the skype profile picture inappropriately and lacking the authority
2. Teamkilling and arrow spraying at the garrison, whether accident or not
3. Conflict with 'LimitedCreations' including numerous flame
4. In response to 'LimitedCreations' "corruption" a full attack using the Syracusian Army on Athens, which may have involved the use of exploiters.
Apart from the first two reasons, all of this was done in response to LimitedCreations impartial behavior. Objectively speaking, he did show signs of corruption and lacking in maturity (for a Senator), though this did not justify any of my actions. I also saw the other leaders, of whom initially were neutral supporting him, again, due to corruption: self-interested rank stability, as opposed to actually following the correct, righteous agenda.
As an apology and to lose the 'traitor' brand, I have created a 200 bricked Athenian Shield, as well as a logo for Athens:
/ynBWBgo.png
Hopefully this will cater the problems I have caused. |
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>1. Changing the skype profile picture inappropriately and lacking the authority<
why is that a reason?
I'm Bane | The Crimson King |
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according to limitless it is
also the claim that I tried to do a 'coup' is false. I did, introduce over 5 people to the group, but that's about it (example of Limited's corruption) |
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why would you want to say sorry to those who wont realize their own problem?
I'm Bane | The Crimson King |
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limitless sounds like an egotistical 11 yo who is always on his period
js
lol lick the magic toad |
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this isn't an apology to limitless, this is an apology to athens |
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Regardless, why would you say sorry to those who wont look into this without having an neutral view.
I'm Bane | The Crimson King |
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Hey, it's me. One of those guys he's apologizing to, and you're saying I didn't have a neutral view? I was one of the few that tried to assist him. So I suggest without knowing the entire situation, as I don't fully know myself, that you should not be siding so hasty. Thank you for your time and I hope you have a wonderful day. c: |
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DeeearJoin Date: 2013-03-03
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nice shield :) |
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ArcariusJoin Date: 2012-07-28
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I'm not very happy about how you've laid this out, let me just go over things for those who do not know the situation.
In Athens you are allowed to form houses (family RP thing). Mace wanted to make a house which I was fine with and supported however he then wanted to turn it into a milita which I was not ok with and stated that I would try get the senate to disallow. This lead to Mace creating a group called 'The Athenian Independence Party' which from the word go started arguments within Athens. According to Mace, Athens had no real democracy (despite all officials in office being elected in??).
I went offline for the day to spend time with my GF irl only to find when I returned the following had happened, Mace had had a despute with a Senator over the fact Mace was randomly killing Athenians at an army garrison. Mace was discharged as I warned he would be and his citizenship was revoked, I personally would have been against the latter action however I was not able to do anything due to what Mace did next. Mace had contacted another Greek State that we previously had engaged in combat known as Syracuse, getting them to attack Athenian homeland. As soon as this was done he was obviously outlawed as a traitor.
Now mace aka dorados has claimed limit is corrupt, he has yet to present me with any proof of this or even any real allegations of what this corruption is. I also wish to add that the skype point he mentioned has never until this point been told to myself by Mace or limit.
Any further questions I will happily answer. |
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I'm not very happy about how you've laid this out, let me just go over things for those who do not know the situation.
In Athens you are allowed to form houses (family RP thing). Mace wanted to make a house which I was fine with and supported however he then wanted to turn it into a milita which I was not ok with and stated that I would try get the senate to disallow. This lead to Mace creating a group called 'The Athenian Independence Party' which from the word go started arguments within Athens. According to Mace, Athens had no real democracy (despite all officials in office being elected in??).
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It wasn't a real democracy. Firstly, the Senators had almost no real power to change laws or do anything, therefore making their rank useless, closing the bridge of the people to the group. Secondly, there was no secret ballot, people would be pressurised by corrupt officials, like I said, limited, to vote for the choice they deemed best. Thirdly, it wasn't a real democracy, officials are elected, there are no surveys to see what people would prefer like there was in the real Athens. I formed the group as a community to aim for that.
I went offline for the day to spend time with my GF irl only to find when I returned the following had happened, Mace had had a despute with a Senator over the fact Mace was randomly killing Athenians at an army garrison. Mace was discharged as I warned he would be and his citizenship was revoked, I personally would have been against the latter action however I was not able to do anything due to what Mace did next. Mace had contacted another Greek State that we previously had engaged in combat known as Syracuse, getting them to attack Athenian homeland. As soon as this was done he was obviously outlawed as a traitor.
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I didn't randomly kill Athenians at that time. I was attacked by Linndex - I admit before, I did, but at this time I was AFK and being repeatedly flamed at and killed by him. After requests to Limited to punish him (which were ignored), I attacked him back, causing Limited to punish us both (this act of injustice was probably triggered by my previous conflicts with him about basic things he had no idea about, but persisted in anyway).
Now mace aka dorados has claimed limit is corrupt, he has yet to present me with any proof of this or even any real allegations of what this corruption is. I also wish to add that the skype point he mentioned has never until this point been told to myself by Mace or limit.
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My proof is as follows:
1. He banned my friends and I at Cyrene, even though only I was a 'foreigner', the rest were citizens. This implies that he realised none of us would vote for him, therefore causing him to do this.
2. He uses extremely unanimous ways when interacting with other Athenians, such as pressure them to agree with irrational things (such as what I stated before, I claimed 'Genikos' wasn't the name for 'General', yet he stupidly insisted, regardless). This is probably the case in the court
3. He uses words to undermine the integrity of Athens, such as using the words 'lel', but ironically punishing anyone who speaks during 'on duty'. Somehow he still has the authority to pathologically demote me down to Foreigner, without the approval of the Strategos because of his 'rage'.
4. Pathological personality, would seem like the perfect person NOT TO TRUST. |
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JradiJoin Date: 2012-08-15
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Jradi's Life Tips & Tricks:
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-and you were informed of the skype picture dispute, I even saw Limited inform you on the chat a couple of times... |
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welcome to drama class
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"It wasn't a real democracy. Firstly, the Senators had almost no real power to change laws or do anything, therefore making their rank useless, closing the bridge of the people to the group. Secondly, there was no secret ballot, people would be pressurised by corrupt officials, like I said, limited, to vote for the choice they deemed best. Thirdly, it wasn't a real democracy, officials are elected, there are no surveys to see what people would prefer like there was in the real Athens. I formed the group as a community to aim for that."
> We have a Trello board, which allows us to create motions and vote, and is always open to the public: trello.com/b/zHQ31g4U/athenian-law
> This is a computer game, thus the fact that you're over-rambunctious about "corruption" in a mere group set in antiquity is a little unappealing, which added to your unpopularity.
> "It wasn't a real democracy." The government of Athens is similar to that of the United Kingdom.
Monarch > Upper House [Senate] > Lower House [The Boules, in this case the Citizens whom aren't Foreigners] > Everyone else
> You claim that you want to oust corrupt politicians, yet you spark a minor revolt, which included your "friends," an exploiter, and the Syracusan army, after which they claim "victory."
"I didn't randomly kill Athenians at that time. I was attacked by Linndex - I admit before, I did, but at this time I was AFK and being repeatedly flamed at and killed by him. After requests to Limited to punish him (which were ignored), I attacked him back, causing Limited to punish us both (this act of injustice was probably triggered by my previous conflicts with him about basic things he had no idea about, but persisted in anyway)."
> I punished both of you because you were acting like snot-nosed brats. Get over it.
> You admit to attacking him again after I had already told you to stop.
> Typing this honestly makes me feel like I'm writing a Kindergarten's "Golden Rules" list to pin onto a blackboard.
> "Basic things he had no idea about," Quite the apology - especially if you're still persistent in insulting me.
"My proof is as follows:
1. He banned my friends and I at Cyrene, even though only I was a 'foreigner', the rest were citizens. This implies that he realised none of us would vote for him, therefore causing him to do this.
2. He uses extremely unanimous ways when interacting with other Athenians, such as pressure them to agree with irrational things (such as what I stated before, I claimed 'Genikos' wasn't the name for 'General', yet he stupidly insisted, regardless). This is probably the case in the court
3. He uses words to undermine the integrity of Athens, such as using the words 'lel', but ironically punishing anyone who speaks during 'on duty'. Somehow he still has the authority to pathologically demote me down to Foreigner, without the approval of the Strategos because of his 'rage'.
4. Pathological personality, would seem like the perfect person NOT TO TRUST."
> @1, There were no elections on that day, and by that time I was already in office. You obviously had no idea what you were doing there in the first place if you believed there were "elections" that evening. Plus, I was only following the orders that were in place literally since the day Athens began. If you're a citizen (not a foreigner, (: ) you may attend the Public Assembly which is held every Saturday.
> @2, "He uses extremely unanimous ways when interacting with other Athenians, such as pressure them to agree with irrational things"
In a list of "proof," you only gave another reason. You never backed up this "proof" with actual, solid facts. Besides for that, I thanked you for telling me the distinction between "Genikos" [in-general, generally] and "Strategos" [military general.]
> "... yet he stupidly insisted, regardless," Still insulting me in an apology post, funny.
> @3, If I undermine the integrity of Athenians, then why am I so close with so many of them? I don't think I've ever said anything to mentally hurt or deter any Athenian, and that's only coming from me. If you really want proof of that, you ought to ask around the group you were just exiled from.
"Somehow he still has the authority to pathologically demote me down to Foreigner, without the approval of the Strategos because of his 'rage'."
Strategoi aren't higher power-wise than Senators. We have the power to demote because, while Arc is away, some people have to actually be in-charge. The Senate is more than an accumulation of popular citizens. It's moreover an accumulation of people that are actually trusted by Arc.
> @4, Your excessive use of the word "pathological" isn't going to cover up the fact that you want to use a word such as "autistic." Nice try. :)
Again, no proof regarding why I ought not be trusted?
Over all, nobody cares about what you have to say anymore. I don't accept this apology, only because I want to hear more of your vague remarks about my "corruption." You're probably never - at least in a single lifetime - getting back into Athens, adding to the vagueness of what you have to say regarding me, Arc, Linndex, et cetera.
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In that case, give me the evidence by which I even raided with Syracuse. I'm sure if you asked the people present at Cyrene, they'd agree with me.
Pathological is a term to describe your personality as extremely unstable and overly-aggressive, which has proven to be true with the way I've described you.
The system, regardless of the trello board still doesn't have a secret ballot, which allows you to practically pressure them and change the course of votes in your own favour, which you probably did when you banned the citizens of whom were my friends.
I only attacked him again, because he was flaming me and you were not responding to my requests to punish him. That's justifiable and something YOU should work on, since you had admin.
You have not justified anything else other than things Arc has justified. |
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I don't want to get back into Athens, I just don't want a mob of socially demanding tw@ts ostracizing me in the Ancient Clan Community and claiming I'm someone I'm not. Through your lack of impartial behavior to respond to any problem regarding these series of events, it is clear that you are, indeed, corrupt. |
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And this wasn't directed at you, clearly I still think you're a 12 year old corrupt, pathological moron who shouldn't even be in power, but is only trusted because of your development for Athens. I accept that I made some problems, but I didn't know I had to take precautions to avoid the ridiculous bureaucracy of such a person. |
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Rather than you justifying your mistakes, or admitting that you've done something wrong, you continue to insult me. By insulting me, you're insulting the whole of Athens at this point. Apparently I've been scrutinized by you long enough for you to deem me corrupt, which, by the way, has probably been a grand sum of less than a day.
There isn't even a reason left as to why any Athenian should be speaking to you, being that you're officially a traitor, have tarnished your own reputation single-handedly, and because you show obvious antagonistic views towards the hierarchy of Athens.
I'm not replying to this thread any longer. What you have to say immaterial, thus I suggest you do the same. The event is over, so let it end properly.
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I'm not justifying mistakes as they are unjustifiable, therefore admitting what I did was wrong. I'm not denying that, but that doesn't mean that 'insulting' you is therefore redundant. I've considered you corrupt ever since the day I was demoted to Foreigner and banned, alongside friends WITH CITIZENSHIP at Cyrene. My antagonistic views have stretched across the entire hierarchy of Athens due to their inability to consider the side of someone below them and having to tweak their policies to your own, due to their fear of an unstable rank, you know its true.
Everything I'm saying is a reflection of what you have done, whether its serious enough or not, you displayed a level of corruption.
All I want is for me to stop being labelled a traitor and for you to receive some acknowledgement for your mistakes. |
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IHypnoIJoin Date: 2013-03-15
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Ladies please... There is enough of me to go around ;) |
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