ilmcpJoin Date: 2012-01-01
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"lol guys bernie sanders is not a socialist.
bernie supports the nordic model, which is what the scandinavian countries have.
The nordic model is a combination of a market economy with a welfare state. aka not socialism"
Finally, someone who knows what they're talking about.
Socialism and Social Democracy are different. Same as Communism and Socialism are different.
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@Ned The only restrictions would relate to not violating others' individual rights. Otherwise, the most basic element of human nature that we act in our rational self-interest, would be honed, making for a better, progressed world by virtue of capitalist competition.
Let's say that human nature does act corruptly, and a business decides to subject its workers to overly long hours. In a capitalist economy, there are numerous options, and other businesses will offer better working conditions to compete, and the first business will hence better its conditions to attract better, smarter workers, and so on.
Monopolies are the result of the government, in its creation of harsh barriers of entry and allotted subsidies, not capitalism. In an unregulated market, monopolies are not possible.
@Lord The idea of universities, and not just community colleges, being free is ridiculous and warrants calling its believers idiots. If there were fewer government grants, given that degrees entail fewer and fewer jobs in this day and age, then the price of a diploma should logically subside; however, the government, currently heavily involved in state universities, prevents this lessening of cost via competition. And this then sets the precedent for private universities to offer a similar, or higher, price of tuition, because surely private colleges are better than public ones.
I disagree with a lot that you mentioned Sanders supports.
He may speak some resemblance of truth, in the same strain of Karl Marx or clerics of Christianity, who say vague half-truths that lead and deceive the blind with ideas of faith in some entity, in this case the State.
I support rights for everyone, but only real, individual rights, and not the pseudo-rights often supported by lots of leftists nowadays. For example, one does not have a right to be given healthcare at no cost, or to a right to education, as good as those concepts may seem they are never mentioned in the Constitution.
The government should not be forwarding any environmental ends, for it is the biggest polluter of them all, and the government's only job is to safeguard individual rights, which the environment, honestly, does not pose a direct threat to currently, and thus its ends ought to be forwarded by private groups. We'd still be working towards saving the planet, but taxpayers wouldn't be obliged to pay for this idea that won't pose a serious threat to their livelihoods in their lifetime.
"He won't take money from big banks or business."
Same with Donald Trump.
I'm pro-union when the government is not involved, which it, in many cases, is. I think unions are inherently immoral to participate in in most cases, but they are a legitimate market mechanism.
The government should get out of the Middle East altogether.
If individuals of corporations have money that they wish to allocate to a man they like in some way, then they should be able to spend their money as they please. |
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@Lord The idea of universities, and not just community colleges, being free is ridiculous and warrants calling its believers idiots. If there were fewer government grants, given that degrees entail fewer and fewer jobs in this day and age, then the price of a diploma should logically subside; however, the government, currently heavily involved in state universities, prevents this lessening of cost via competition. And this then sets the precedent for private universities to offer a similar, or higher, price of tuition, because surely private colleges are better than public ones.
[[[Note the difference between a college and university]]]
I disagree with a lot that you mentioned Sanders supports.
[[[Why disagree, nothing I said is false]]]
He may speak some resemblance of truth, in the same strain of Karl Marx or clerics of Christianity, who say vague half-truths that lead and deceive the blind with ideas of faith in some entity, in this case the State.
[[[Nothing he has said deals with religion or communism, wth]]]
I support rights for everyone, but only real, individual rights, and not the pseudo-rights often supported by lots of leftists nowadays. For example, one does not have a right to be given healthcare at no cost, or to a right to education, as good as those concepts may seem they are never mentioned in the Constitution.
[[[Because they were never thought of pre-constituion, check the amendments. "leftists" wtf are you on buddy? how about you worry about yourself when it comes to >INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS<]]]
The government should not be forwarding any environmental ends, for it is the biggest polluter of them all, and the government's only job is to safeguard individual rights, which the environment, honestly, does not pose a direct threat to currently, and thus its ends ought to be forwarded by private groups. We'd still be working towards saving the planet, but taxpayers wouldn't be obliged to pay for this idea that won't pose a serious threat to their livelihoods in their lifetime.
[[The environment requires immediate attention and if you think otherwise then I'll inform you just why once you respond to this. Their plans require no increased for of taxation]]]
"He won't take money from big banks or business."
Same with Donald Trump.
[[[Trump would most definitely AND CURRENTLY DOES LMAO]]]
I'm pro-union when the government is not involved, which it, in many cases, is. I think unions are inherently immoral to participate in in most cases, but they are a legitimate market mechanism.
[[[Do your research on this subject...]]]
The government should get out of the Middle East altogether.
[[[We're somewhat keeping an all out war at a halt in the Middle East, us completely evacuating would grant such an arms fest. Of course, we're primarily there for their resources.]]]
If individuals of corporations have money that they wish to allocate to a man they like in some way, then they should be able to spend their money as they please.
[[[Quite so, however they mostly do so to gain support from the candidate.]]]
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"Note the difference between a college and university."
You said university, earlier, and others spoke of him only implementing a policy that encompasses community colleges. Not sure what you're trying to say here.
"Why disagree, nothing I said is false"
Wow, you're pretty dense aren't you?
These are opinions, and hence open-ended concepts that are not merely true or false.
"Nothing he has said deals with religion or communism, wth"
Bernie Sanders is of the same kind of person who spreads faith-based, vague information that leads the blind masses; it was sort of an analogy.
"check the amendments"
Okay, then tell me where in the amendments it clearly and unequivocally says that we have a right to education or a right to healthcare? When someone mentions the Constitution, it's implied that they mean the amendments too.
"'leftists' wtf are you on buddy? how about you worry about yourself when it comes to INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS"
How about I worry about the government when it comes to individual rights, considering that's the institution responsible for safeguarding them?
"Trump would most definitely AND CURRENTLY DOES LMAO"
No, it's been made clear several times that Donald Trump is solely funding himself, and doesn't need money from corporations or even individual donors. Hence, there will actually be fewer strings attached with Trump's presidency than Sanders' presidency, although I don't support either of these terrible, side-show candidates.
"Quite so, however they mostly do so to gain support from the candidate."
I think gaining support from a candidate that is receiving millions of dollars from you is somewhat inevitable. In any case, the corporation's intentions do not exactly matter, as they ought to be able to exercise the ability to donate money to whom they wish. |
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You said university, earlier, and others spoke of him only implementing a policy that encompasses community colleges. Not sure what you're trying to say here.
[[[Just saying there is a difference between the two, along with different sources of funding for each college/uni]]]
Wow, you're pretty dense aren't you?
These are opinions, and hence open-ended concepts that are not merely true or false.
[[[hat I said were not opinions. what of what I said was an opinion?]]]
Bernie Sanders is of the same kind of person who spreads faith-based, vague information that leads the blind masses; it was sort of an analogy.
[[[He speaks his thoughts on a subject and moves on. He saves detail for when it's needed such as television interviews and whatnot, not at time regulated rallies]]]
Okay, then tell me where in the amendments it clearly and unequivocally says that we have a right to education or a right to healthcare? When someone mentions the Constitution, it's implied that they mean the amendments too.
[[[The 14th Amendment / Plyler v. Doe / more]]]
How about I worry about the government when it comes to individual rights, considering that's the institution responsible for safeguarding them?
[[[When you argue against people having equal rights that is a biased thoguht on your behalf]]]
No, it's been made clear several times that Donald Trump is solely funding himself, and doesn't need money from corporations or even individual donors. Hence, there will actually be fewer strings attached with Trump's presidency than Sanders' presidency, although I don't support either of these terrible, side-show candidates.
[[[ALL of Bernie's funding came from supporter donations. 80%+ of which were under $200]]]
I think gaining support from a candidate that is receiving millions of dollars from you is somewhat inevitable. In any case, the corporation's intentions do not exactly matter, as they ought to be able to exercise the ability to donate money to whom they wish.
[[[Indeed, but he won't accept them and won't be persuaded by any. Has yet to for 30+ years unlike several senators and presidents.]]]
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I'm talking not about the fact that Sanders supports these ideas, but the ideas, and their validity, or lack thereof, in and of themselves.
"He speaks his thoughts on a subject and moves on."
I agree, but his ideas are mostly impractical and meant to lead the blind masses who don't know any better, or at least that's the idea I was expressing.
The 14th amendment promised equal protection under the law, and, unfortunately, and unconstitutionally, going to school is a law. However, it's my belief that the government should not have public education, a form of education begotten directly under the government, and indicative of government overreach as it represents initial force being used against people, when the government should only use force in a retaliatory fashion. Public education assumes we are children of the State, rather than ends in and of ourselves, not belonging to any bureaucratic entity.
Also, there have been many Supreme Court cases concluding that education is not a federal right (e.g. San Antonio Independent School District v. Rodriguez).
"When you argue against people having equal rights that is a biased thoguht on your behalf"
I believe everyone should have equal rights, but only rights that are clearly given by the Constitution, and I might make note that I believe in equal rights but not equal privileges, as equality in both is impractical.
"ALL of Bernie's funding came from supporter donations. 80%+ of which were under $200"
Donald Trump didn't need any supporter donations, so there will be minimum strings attached.
"Indeed, but he won't accept them and won't be persuaded by any. Has yet to for 30+ years unlike several senators and presidents."
I agree that Bernie Sanders probably won't be persuaded by any, as he seems to have a lot of misguided integrity in his ideas, but the problem I have is in his belief that nobody should be able to form super-PACs or to use money to influence politics, which is a violation of the First Amendment. |
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c&gers discussing politics
like plumbers discussing Boeing |
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bernie is the best option
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