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Skill Nation and Team Clout are currently at war against Exceeding Force and Àscension. Yesterday, 10/24/15, was the first day of the war and already several problems have aroused. Some of these problems include; glitching in our fort, "fly glitching" in all forts, flaming in our fort, flaming in their fort and only muting SN and TC members, Exceeding Force and Àscension not having a fair fort, and Exceeding Force's leader admin abusing in ALL forts and shutting down his fort's server.
This is a link to a recording of just a small amount of what has been occurring during this war. There has been a lot more flame and rule breakage that has happened, but I tried to keep it short, simple, and obvious. I hope you will watch the video closely and see what is going on as well as continuing to read this post. Thank you! The YouTube video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tn_pqS5U9E
Glitching in our fort is prohibited. It is clearly stated in our fort's rules and multiple warnings are given and were given throughout the raid and before the war was even started. We state the rules in :m or :h at the beginning of EVERY raid saying ":m/:h NO glitching, NO flaming, and NO spamming!" We give 1-2 warnings when we sight a glitch, flame, or spam before we take appropriate actions. These actions include warning the person and kicking them if said rule breakage is executed again. Our fort's rules are in the screenshot that follows:
https://gyazo.com/a89aeba554d83169fd882c20d5bec139
Our fort is located here and the rules are in the description yet again: http://www.roblox.com/games/120858981/Skill-Nation-Fort-Lux-RAIDABLE
During one of the raids against Exceeding Force and Àscension "fly glitching" was exhibited from multiple members on their team. Allow me to add this, in Roblox rules there is to be no exploitation or "fly glitching". This gave them a huge advantage seeing that they can fly directly to the terminal, hover above it, and continue clicking the console in order to claim the device. You are not able to claim the terminal if you have a sword equipped; thus the members that are on the building of the terminal are fighting usually have a sword equipped. The flyers can't be hit from their location; thus don't equip their sword which allows them to keep clicking and capturing the terminal. The terminal counts down by -1 for the hostiles and +2 for the defenders. Therefore, by having their members that "fly glitch" clicking the terminal they are gaining time even though we claim it right back. There was even a few designated clickers we assigned to simply continue clicking the console in order to prevent some of their members that "fly glitch" from capturing. There are also multiple times where the other members that "fly glitch" would spawn trap by randomly falling on the opposing team exiting their spawn. They would also camp the entrances to the base by sitting on the mountain top and flying down onto us. During the time when fighting their members that "fly glitch" they would fly away and run when being pursued. This made them almost impossible to kill and allowed them to regenerate health. Lastly, both Exceeding Force and Àscension forts are lacking in their rules. They have a very broad set of rules where it isn't specific at all. It doesn't even say if glitching is allowed or not, let alone "fly glitching". Exceeding Force's rules say "common sense and basic rules". I see glitching as not a basic rule; every group varies on whether they allow it or not. The groups that do allow glitching usually mean wall fling and SJ, not "fly glitching". So therefore I wouldn't say glitching or at least fly glitching is a "common sense or basic rule". Due to this, both of their forts need to update their rules. A screenshot of their rules will follow:
https://gyazo.com/8ce47104a82fb460c4a0c3169e49d37b
https://gyazo.com/81b9b88f733c7f8a066f054f970af341
When defending our fort they seemed almost 100% reluctant to use team chat. This of course causes chat to blow up and allows both teams to see their flame and rage. Flaming is against our rules but it isn't specified what flaming is in our rules. Flaming is a general term that can be misleading or offensive in different ways. We consider profanity, spam, major complaining, and insulting others as flame. An example is that one of their members would spam "coc" and claim they were talking about "Clash of Clans". They continually flamed by insulting us, our rules, and our fort. We kept being accused of admin abuse and having an unfair fort. There was also lots of spam and a lot of hate towards our members, yet most of our members were very calm and respected the raiders. If they didn't respect the raiders they were at least in team chat so it couldn't be offensive. The few that did speak out of team chat were punished accordingly.
At Exceeding Force and Àscension's forts they claim to allow flaming. This caused such an uproar in chat and was very annoying for both teams. The flame continued and even got offensive towards most members on both teams. Some forms of the offense that was taken by members was the sexist and racist comments and slurs along with the typical Roblox flame which is complaining and insulting others and their groups. When our team finally got irritated some members responded and were immediately warned or muted, yet none of Exceeding Force or Àscension's members were muted. This is bias and is 100% unfair to let our have to put up with the flame and not allow us to respond to it.
Exceeding Force and Àscension have an unfair fort due to having key or major spawn advantages. Àscension's fort has an approximately 10 second spawn advantage if you don't wall fling. If you wall fling out of the raider spawn it is only a 5 second advantage. They spawn close to an area where there are 2 routes to enter the fort where raiders spawn close to an area that has only 1 route. This makes our route able to be camped a lot easier than theirs. If we wish to use the 2 routes we will lose another 5 seconds of time to get to the terminal. Also by trying to use their routes we will have to cross their path out of spawn, thus fight our way. Exceeding Force's fort has a 2-4 second spawn advantage, but their position is the true problem. The location of the spawn is placed so that they can camp raiders jumping up the small mountain or hill to get out of the spawn. There are 2 routes to enter the fort to get to the terminal. One route is near the raiders spawn. This route is very dark, long, and narrow. Since this fort has a hide name script it makes the raider's route very easy to camp. It also makes this route hard to fight in the narrow and dark conditions. Exceeding Force spawns closer to a route where it is bright with sunshine, a lot wider, and is a lot shorter than the other route. If the raiders wish to use this route they will once again have to cross Exceeding Force's path and fight their way through.
During all the raids during this war so far Exceeding Force's leader has repeatedly used :m/:h to have conversations and to command his team. I don't use admin to :pm my team even though some groups do so I guess this is fair, but his other admin usage is definitely not. They use admin to talk about the spam and flame of the members as well as to communicate with me and JustGang (Team Clout's leader) over topics not needed to be discussed at that moment. Also at my fort, raiders were complaining about us walking faster so their leader checked logs, noclipped himself, and teleported someone to him. I then unadmined him and was about to say if you wish to test the fairness of my fort you can do it after the raid when he started spamming AA in the chat. After that raid, we counter raided Exceeding Force's fort. I placed my men at the agreed time and we were all teamed on Exceeding Force's team. They stated that the auto team must be broken, yet I clearly told them this, it was the day before the war when I was scouting their fort. I asked for admin and was granted this admin, but when I began to team myself and my men to the raiders my admin all of a sudden wasn't there. I attempted to check logs and realized I no longer had admin. They then said they were going to shutdown their server to delete their auto team script. I saw and still see no point in that because we would still be teamed randomly. It would of been much simpler to just give me, JustGang, and my 2iC admin to team our men. If they wished to unadmin them after then they could. The server was then shutdown and we rejoined to the same issue. Due to this we wasted 10 minutes or more of time and cost us a lot of activity by members being annoyed or having to go. We had a original rally number of 24 members and when the raid started we only had 19. On the other hand, they had around 11 when I placed and by the time we started they had around 15. This gave them yet another advantage. During this they kept saying how its the same as how we didn't defend Team Clout's fort yet we did and the majority of people on both teams were perfectly fine and not glitched. If you were glitched you were to rejoin or reset. I know that the majority of raiders were fine during this raid due to the fact that the terminal was owned by them for 200 seconds at one point and to about 60 or so multiple other times. Due to this glitch though they asked to switch forts so it is definitely not the same thing.
I will now post the links to four forts being used for this war and you can judge if they are fair or not. You can also view the rules and the advantages for yourself. The forts that are being used are as follows:
Skill Nation: Fort Lux [RAIDABLE]:
http://www.roblox.com/games/120858981/Skill-Nation-Fort-Lux-RAIDABLE
Team Clout: Saint Lawrence:
http://www.roblox.com/games/168486067/Saint-Lawrence
Àscension: Outpost Ascendium:
http://www.roblox.com/games/294083550/Outpost-Ascendium
Exceeding Force: Outpost Excel
http://www.roblox.com/games/273583920/Outpost-Excel-Exceeding-Force
Now I will put the links to the groups that are mentioned in this forum and are involved in this 2v2 war.The links to the 4 groups will follow:
Skill Nation:
http://www.roblox.com/My/Groups.aspx?gid=361491
Team Clout:
http://www.roblox.com/My/Groups.aspx?gid=1235239
Àscension:
http://www.roblox.com/Groups/group.aspx?gid=833319
Exceeding Force:
http://www.roblox.com/Groups/group.aspx?gid=1253451
I ask that everyone support Skill Nation and Team Clout with this forum. This war seems almost absurd. What I hope to gain from this forum is an advantage in this war. Either a win or two counted for us, a fix in their flaws and a fresh start in the war with a score of 0-0, or this war to be called a draw/tie/void. Remember to support Skill Nation and Team Clout! Thank you for your time and cooperation! ~Upbeatkillerboy -Proud Leader of Skill Nation
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LaggKillJoin Date: 2011-11-25
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But I've seen Skill Nation before and they're pretty chill so I'll just agree with what you say. |
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Before anyone starts hating on this forum due to us being SN, please just see what happens and be reasonable. If this were to happen to you and one of us were to see it happen, we would support you as well. So please, once again, just watch what happen.
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ascension is easy though.
scr flooded their server.
it was 45 v 5 lel.
Mind games I tell you, MIND GAMES! |
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Upbeat, I understand your frustrations, and I will give you a win to make the score 1-1.
You also have broken some rules, but we have as well. Hopefully this can be fixed and I hope we can continue this war with no more problems. I fixed our fort and made it so that you have a better spawn location.
Glitching is apart of our rules, so you may just need to get used to it or learn it yourself so you can have a better chance of winning.
Good luck today,
RevelatingAbyss |
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Too long, too irrelevant. |
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Well what I saw of yesterday was in each fort there was a lot of rule breaking. Clearly in both SN and TC's for Glitching, spamming, and flaming isn't aloud. A lot of people were kick because of rule breaking and then the other team called AA, but clearly it isn't because the rules state that those things are not aloud. |
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Your rules say nothing about glitching. And fly glitching is not fair at all and you know it. It is also an exploit in my eyes. This is absurd. |
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I thought Ascension was very biased towards their members, they would talk about africans yet, they did nothing. The leader said "No RACIAL Comments" Yet, he did barely anything about it when his members did so. ":Mute gug" *1 second later* ":unmute gug", that was barely anything. They called are members stupid because we didn't know what "Liberia" was.
Proving my point that both are quite Corrupt. I wasn't able to attend the raid with Exceeding Force. |
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JustGangJoin Date: 2011-04-19
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5le75PNSZI&feature=youtu.be |
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@ RevelatingAbyss This fort is exactly the same. It still has the spawn advantage so I have no clue what you are talking about. Quit trying to fool your way to a win and actually learn to play fair and quit lying. This is shows how corrupt this community is. |
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You can see that Exceeding Force and Àscension are both corrupt since exploiting and glitching are not allowed in a raid or war. But if glitching was allowed then both sides should play fair which did not happen. SN and TC played fair and was winning in the beginning but Exceeding Force and Àscension decided to have some fun and started flying and exploiting since someone does not randomly fly up in the sky with a sword and then freeze glitch his way down to kill you and then unfreezes himself back up in the sky. This is only just one example of why Exceeding Force and Àscension are both corrupt.
BUDDERSOULASF1 - Proud member of SN and will follow his leaders commands at any cost |
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This is sad. Why don't you stop complaining about raids and actually learn how to raid in any situation.
"Don't like our fort, our rules, don't raid." |
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theI3I3Join Date: 2011-08-07
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Hail!!! TC AND SN!!!! |
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VaxerosJoin Date: 2013-04-26
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King of Sfers |
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@Ponies, they wanted the war and we agreed to it with specific war terms and rules. We had no clue it would lead to this. We have to raid in order to win the war which is the problem. This is still absurd and you know it. Don't be ignorant and see the bigger picture. |
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InverienJoin Date: 2010-03-22
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1-1 Win? You need to back out this should be a tie or void, Rev you have very little problems Aellai is just out of control AAing,Flaming, Everything. At this post Harkonnens leader might be better. Lol |
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5_VenJoin Date: 2013-04-15
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Ok first of all lets start with the glitching.
Fly gltiching is where you have two swords and you jump lunge into the air releasing the 2nd sword from your inventory by using back space.
That's not an exploit and by your join date you should know this by now since it was popular in the late 2011's.
There's also a freeze glitch you didn't mention, but for future references. The freeze glitch is where you hold your left click on your mouse on to the "X" on the right top of your screen. This makes you freeze in mid-air or stop as long as you want. So before you consider it "ls" or exploits make sure you actually are up to date with the glitches idiot.
Also the flaming started from you guys calling us bad during EF and Ascension defense because we were using wall glitch and sword jump to get to term. Which escalated to a flame war mess with in the chat. Then you guys started to spam "AA" and we had a perfect reason to kick stupid spammers out of the defense.
We never called "AA" when we raided you guys, yes I get it you did said about 15 times to not spam, flame, or glitch. And when our members were kicked for those reasons. At our fort we always allowed glitching even during the 2v2 war before this one. It regulates that glitches and some flame could happen at EF and Ascension fort, but it won't happen at TC and SN fort.
Let's get to the shutdown of yesterday with EF's fort. The teams were glitched and everyone agreed to shutdown to fix the problem. Obviously when a game shutsdown everyone get's kicked. It's not because "Ef just wanted their members to come in". Your members and TC members are terrible if anything. We encourage for a challenge that you kinda out number us in a raid or defense. Now TC's fort when EF and Ascension raided. TC had no timer, team switcher, and had an auto kick which could have been a auto win for us. But EF and Ascension members nor HRs spammed "AA YOU KICKED OUR MEMBERS AUTO WIN!" through out the raid. We just switched to SN's fort and became our official raid.
Before you call any exploits, aaing, or even flame wars; maybe you should figure out "hey maybe I didn't know it was a glitch". "Wow our members need to get into shape and stop acting like 10 year olds throwing a tamp-rum." Upbeat, the thing that ANNOYED us the most that you thought we were exploiting yet it was glitching occurred during the defense.
Maybe you should tell your members it was a misunderstanding and make shut the hell up during the defense instead of making this illogical thread. From my perspective SN and TC looks like a bunch of whiny babies who resolve on auto wins and bs during a war.
Tell your imbeciles that you call your "soldiers" to stop being newbags and look at the facts. We even said that we could DEMONSTRATE the glitch to prove it wasn't an exploit working. But nope, you denied our request and added to your complain wall of shame in your china-wall paragraph.
I have the letters O & P in my name for a reason. - optimality |
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