BenBonezJoin Date: 2008-08-29
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@ywis
Already in the making.
@nightfury000
> "How many maps that have been created by BattleNet currently?"
5, though we'll only use 2 for the testing phase.
> "How many guns there will be?"
For testing phase only 1 set of guns, for release we plan to have a small variation so every other hex uses slightly different ones.
@ArabTrap
Staff picks spot where clans start out from.
@CASisDEAD
As of now it's more of an experiment to see how a standardized war system would work out, if it's well received it might as well become the standard. |
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BenBonezJoin Date: 2008-08-29
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Will vehicles ever be a thing?
Like group 1 can get vehicles at their garrison and drive towards other tiles, and they can also spawn vehicles of their attacking tile on the defender's tile. |
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BenBonezJoin Date: 2008-08-29
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@GiganticGulian
Not in the manner you mentioned them, that sounds cool in theory but wouldn't be as nice as you think since there would be a lot of delays involved.
We are looking to implement vehicles though in a future update. |
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MetricalsJoin Date: 2013-02-21
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Will the maps be used for wars or just normal battles?
Will this new BN hopefully be an innovation to the clan world to wake up?
What's with the hexagon stuff, will it be like maps or if a clan wins they take one?
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How are clans supposed to be unique with a standardised raid/war system that limits mostly everything they use?
- Your "fort" (tile) has to be a hexagon
- You have to have a central terminal
- You have to equal spawns (kinda good but tbh every home clan should have one sort of advantage)
- You can't use your own tech and are limited to pre-made tech that everyone has
- You have to use someone else's gun scripts which you may not like and may want to be edited
And I'm not saying all this because of how we are towards each other, I'm actually curious about how you will tackle all this.
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BenBonezJoin Date: 2008-08-29
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@Metricals
> "Will the maps be used for wars or just normal battles?"
Hopefully both, if clans like the system they might as well use it for their wars.
> "Will this new BN hopefully be an innovation to the clan world to wake up?"
Only time will tel..
> "What's with the hexagon stuff, will it be like maps or if a clan wins they take one?"
There is a map consisting of hexagons, we call these hexagons tiles, each one of those tiles is 1 place with 1 server (there can't be more), you can capture those tiles in-game and the map will update. This way you have a rough overview of how powerful and influential certain clan is.
@ClanScripter
> "How are clans supposed to be unique with a standardised raid/war system that limits mostly everything they use?"
No one and nothing is stopping you from still having your own base with your own tech. No one is forcing you to participate in the BN either.
> "- Your "fort" (tile) has to be a hexagon"
How is that an issue? What prevents you from putting any given shape into another?
> "You have to equal spawns (kinda good but tbh every home clan should have one sort of advantage)"
As mentioned before defenders spawn inside the fortification.
> "You can't use your own tech and are limited to pre-made tech that everyone has"
As mentioned before you can replicate your tech with our customizable weapon system and get to use it at your garrison/home tile. Neutral tiles use several variations of BN provided guns, so overall you get to use many more different weapons then you would nowadays.
> "You have to use someone else's gun scripts which you may not like and may want to be edited"
As mentioned before we can't allow other people to provide code for obvious reasons. |
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"No one and nothing is stopping you from still having your own base with your own tech. No one is forcing you to participate in the BN either."
I know that, but say for example all but few clans used it, those few wouldn't have any good clans to war because the clans using BN would probably tell you to use BN instead.
"How is that an issue? What prevents you from putting any given shape into another?"
Limiting to a shape blocks some creativity, it's like trying to get a fort builder to build with a region, you can have a size limit, sure but tell him to keep it in a square and it gets difficult.
"As mentioned before defenders spawn inside the fortification."
Haven't read up on it, the assumption was that you'd spawn either side.
"As mentioned before you can replicate your tech with our customizable weapon system and get to use it at your garrison/home tile. Neutral tiles use several variations of BN provided guns, so overall you get to use many more different weapons then you would nowadays."
Care to elaborate on the customisable weapon system? Because before I read that you'd have to have the group's gun models.
"As mentioned before we can't allow other people to provide code for obvious reasons."
Check their code out first? If theirs anything fishy like an obfuscation in what is happening then inquire or just tell them no?
What if someone wants a different animation (or to add one if none provided)?
Or even not use raycast lasers, perhaps they want bullets or any other form of projectile, perhaps affected by "gravity"?
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BenBonezJoin Date: 2008-08-29
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@ClanScripter
> "I know that, but say for example all but few clans used it, those few wouldn't have any good clans to war because the clans using BN would probably tell you to use BN instead."
That's called progress, no war the past few months has worked out the way it was intended to. People will most likely adapt to BN since it solves the pressing issues that exist nowadays, with the price they pay being a small part of their individuality which they can optionally keep anyways so not really.
> "Limiting to a shape blocks some creativity, it's like trying to get a fort builder to build with a region, you can have a size limit, sure but tell him to keep it in a square and it gets difficult."
Was Van Gogh limited in his creativity because he had to draw on a rectangle canvas?
This is a trivial matter and has nothing to do with the BN, if a builder is incapable of working with preexisting requirements he isn't all that creative after all.
> "Haven't read up on it, the assumption was that you'd spawn either side."
Attackers spawn outside depending on their attack direction, if you are attacking a tile and 2 of your groups tiles are adjacent to it, 1 north 1 south, in-game you have a chance to spawn on either side.
> "Care to elaborate on the customisable weapon system? Because before I read that you'd have to have the group's gun models."
Correct, they will have to give us the gun models. If InsertService wasn't so restrictive we might have opted for a different method. The gun system is customize able in a sense that it covers many features implemented across various different guns used in clans nowadays.
> "Check their code out first? If theirs anything fishy like an obfuscation in what is happening then inquire or just tell them no?"
That would require man hours of manually checking code, no one has time for that.
> "What if someone wants a different animation (or to add one if none provided)?"
We provide animations for rifles and pistols, you don't really have anything that is completely different from that. In the future we might provide more. Last time I checked animations were similarly restrictive to InsertService.
> "Or even not use raycast lasers, perhaps they want bullets or any other form of projectile, perhaps affected by "gravity"?""
Customization. |
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"Was Van Gogh limited in his creativity because he had to draw on a rectangle canvas?"
I was actually going to use this as an example and realised so I made it more relevant to the situation haha.
"If InsertService wasn't so restrictive we might have opted for a different method. The gun system is customize able in a sense that it covers many features implemented across various different guns used in clans nowadays."
Are you using the Universe system? Because if "tiles" are places created in the universe by players then (I think, not sure, you'd have to test) that you could use InsertService to load in their gun models from there (as it goes from place owner).
"That would require man hours of manually checking code, no one has time for that."
Split the load between many trusted, reliable scripters who have no connection to the clans you're checking.
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BenBonezJoin Date: 2008-08-29
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@ClanScripter
> "Are you using the Universe system? "
No, the InsertService comment was referring to the fact that you can't insert other peoples models, hence why we need to own the models to insert them.
> "Split the load between many trusted, reliable scripters who have no connection to the clans you're checking."
If they aren't part of the team they aren't trust able. |
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"No, the InsertService comment was referring to the fact that you can't insert other peoples models, hence why we need to own the models to insert them."
I mean is there any harm in trying the universe system and seeing if you can make it work?
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can i carry you in BN like i carried you in comp? |
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BenBonezJoin Date: 2008-08-29
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@mcflopper
You mean the other way around? |
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t_oasterJoin Date: 2012-10-08
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Can you show any screenshots of the maps? :D |
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when is it coming
#1 fear operative |
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Original dev of battle network here
The system was designed so that you could easily drop in your own gun models to our scripts. That is, the idea was you'd dynamically load in the models specific to the clan and the props would run with our guaranteed balanced scripts. |
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Answering another question posed here about the lag. The original battle net systems we made performed quite poorly in our original testing (memory leak, actually), so the dev team decided to rewrite the entire system. If ben is using the original guns (which I'm fairly certain he is) then it should run smoothly (>45 fps) on a low end computer from 2009. |
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Will each clan be able to fight with their own customized guns at each tile (like one side has A-5 looking guns and the other one has Reapers) or will you guys make the guns that everyone is going to use at the same time? |
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@benbonez
how many clans can join
and is it going to allow small clans with
little to no history in? |
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malike789Join Date: 2011-04-16
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@bub
We are gonna join it but we need activity for one of the requirements but once we have everything set up we will join this. |
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nice knowing you somehow knew i commented on this thread lol |
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