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"Tbh this whole forum loves to trash Steven Universe but everything you are saying about it is only true in the early episodes of the first season, the poor ones. so its quite obvious that none of you watch it and are just basing your opinions off of two episodes. Im not saying Gravity Falls is bad, i love Gravity falls, i just love them equally because i have taken the time to watch the steven universe episodes that further detail the characters with their back stories."
If you want to go there, okay. Let's talk about story telling. If you want a real quality story, watch Avatar: The Last Airbender, Young Justice, Teen Titans, Beware the Batman, Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Batman Beyond, Batman: The Animated Series, Superman: The Animated Series, Green Lantern: The Animated Series and you better watch Samurai Jack. Do you know what all of these cartoons have in common? They are GENRE DEFINING! Sure, Steven Universe has potential, but their stories are crap compared to all of these.
The Last Airbender sets the standard for any modern cartoon. I'm not going to argue about the whole "anime" classification, but seriously. The episode "Zuko Alone" is enough to make you realize how much you can actually fit into a TV Y7 format. Batman: The Animated Series was pure perfection in a lot of aspects. That whole cartoon has so much effort that it should be in a genre of its own. Steven Universe has NOTHING on these shows. Absolutely nothing. Its art style compared to all of these is nothing. You should seriously reevaluate what you just said. Sure, you can compare it to GF, but you will get nowhere. Gravity Falls has its highs and lows, but Steven Universe is not a fair comparison. We're not picking on it, we're just saying it's not as good as you make it out to be.
In all honesty, watch the shows I listed. You will understand what it means to write a story much better than what you've already learned. These shows are the dfinition of art. |
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PvrosJoin Date: 2012-08-25
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ok you want to go there? besides not watching the batman ones because im not a huge batman fan, i have seen all of those shows. and you obviously have not watched the show you have trashed not stop so pardon me for defending a show i happen to call one of my favorites. you dont need to come back all angry like you do whenever someone promotes steven universe because you dislike it. your reasons are invalid, and the fact that they are now showing episodes in stevenbombs its hard to develop all the characters but they have developed many of them fully such as Garnet Amythest some of pearl, Lars Ronaldo, and what gems were trying to do to earth. i dont care that you hate a show you dont watch and that you think all those shows are better, kid ive been watching samurai Jack and Avatar since before you were born. grow some pubes and try again with a valid argument this time. |
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LoliLopiiJoin Date: 2012-05-11
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kid ive been watching samurai Jack and Avatar since before you were born. grow some pubes and try again with a valid argument this time.
omg roasted 360 noscop
"If you want to know someone's heart... you have to know what breaks it." ~George H. W. Bush |
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captcJoin Date: 2013-02-12
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"I totally think you guys need a new list. The list SHOULD look like this:
Sanjay and Craig
Breadwinners
Uncle Grandpa
Sonic Boom
Adventure Time
Regular Show
Steven Universe
Spongebob
Fairly Odd Parents
Teen Titans Go"
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PvrosJoin Date: 2012-08-25
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and Steven universe has something on all of the DC super hero shows you listed because its new, its a bold statement, its raising awareness for the LGBT community and introducing it at a young age, not to mention everything you have against it can be fixed but the fact that the episodes are 15 minutes long and there aren't that many episodes out means that there wont be that many story lines. not to mention its targeted at a different audience than Avatar so its not going to be as perfect for you as it isn't meant for you. every show has a targeted audience and since you obviously aren't that for Steven universe or even take the time to watch Steven universe you can stop trying to attack everyone who posts about a show they like. look over this entire forum and read how people have posted a sentence about a show they like and you have shut them down. no one is going to have the same opinion as you so just stop! |
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ducky980Join Date: 2012-09-01
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I think SU is bas because they make drama out of everything. And when they aren't crying they're singing. |
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PvrosJoin Date: 2012-08-25
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tbh they sing in mostly every episode because all teh voice actors are singers and they dont cry a bunch but i mean an opinion is an opionion. its a valid reason not to like it. |
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ducky980Join Date: 2012-09-01
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Well its no fun if you're going to be so accepting about it. But I'll thank you anyway. |
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But I kinda like Adventure Time,Regular Show, and Steven Universe... |
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That's another reason why I'm not a huge fan of SU. Voice actors sing because it teaches them vocal range. Plus, it helps them record their characters voice for longer sessions. However, I really can't stand all of the singing that's in every episode. That's why everyone stopped watching Hideous and Nerd. |
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PvrosJoin Date: 2012-08-25
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more proof that you dont watch the show. they dont sing in every episodes. and some of the songs are just short and for background music. it would be quite good for you to stop assuming so much off of a few episodes. they sing when needed because the songs tell stories and have meanings and add to the overall mood of the episode by projecting the characters feelings in a way that will fit into a 15 minute time frame rather than leaving you guessing. watch a full stevenbomb and then make your guesses because your wrong here. |
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I personally think Steven Universe is just as good as those shows (and believe me all of those shows are genre defining! Young Justice, really pushed the bar on what can be done in a kids comic! And Batman Beyond! OHYES TERRY'S VOICE ACTOR MAKES ME LOSE IT! JESUS CHRIST THE STORY TELLING!) but Steven Universe is just as breathtaking. It has some very heart warming scenes, developing each and every character, showing there needs, wants, and desires. Really showing how all of these characters function. Even showing how a brainwashed villain like Peridot can become good, when looking at everything with new eyes. Or showing LGBT characters (although I think people blow this REALLY out of proportion making it look like its the main focus of the show and the only reason its good is because it supports LGBT) in a very dignified way. It was able to push the envelope just like Batman Beyond, Teen Titans (Oh lord how the mighty have fallen with TTG, DX) and Batman The Animated series. But I do agree with you, once Steven Universe completes its story arc they should stop. I don't want there to be a Steven Universe Go, (DX KILL ME PLS!). You shouldn't be demeaning these shows because they haven't reached your very high expectations, you should be applauding it for trying and a decent amount of the time reaching them. Look it the show with an open mind, because it really is wonderful. |
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jason2926Join Date: 2009-08-30
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How'd this go from listing shows that need to stop to debating whether SU is a good show or not? |
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kistvaenJoin Date: 2009-07-25
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steven universe is trash anway
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LQuippyJoin Date: 2015-06-29
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Raymond, where are you going? Fairly odd parents is a good show, and it's already dead.
Please, facts first. |
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kistvaenJoin Date: 2009-07-25
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"Raymond, where are you going? Fairly odd parents is a good show, and it's already dead.
Please, facts first."
yeah like the fact that you think pegboard nerds is dubstep LMAO |
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First of all, you guys are taking what I say WAY too literally. Singing is in every cartoon. That's just how it is. I can go on and on about how I've talked to voice actors and cartoonists and pick apart everything I dislike about Steven Universe, but the fact is none of that matters. I'm not saying it's a bad show. I'm just saying it's not the best show. Sure, it has a devout fan base. Good for them. I just don't see how you guys compare it to be better than Samurai Jack and countless other old school CN cartoons. I'm sorry, but that's just too far.
The art style of Steven Universe is one of the primary factors why I dislike it. It's not so much how it's drawn, but the style in general is very common. Its more or less a more exaggerated form of Adventure Time's art style. The rounded features and surrealistic elements are very common on CN and it doesn't bring anything special in my opinion. I'm not trying to insult the artists because they work extremely hard on the show, but I'm just saying that the art style needs some more personal touches to make it stand out.
Since you guys love to compare it to Samurai Jack, Samurai Jack is the definition of unique. It blends art deco with realism. Just look at the art. It doesn't use outlines and the backgrounds are astonishing. Plus, it doesn't rely so much on voice acting to tell the story. It relies on music and art. Just watch the first episode. Steven Universe relies on slightly overused jokes and a few dramatic moments here and there to deliver a story to a broad audience. Not that it's inherently bad, but it seems formulaic at times.
The difference between how Gravity Falls and Steven Universe use that style is that Gravity Falls uses background elements like lighting and imagery to help better portray the story. Steven Universe doesn't really do that since they seem to use loud colors instead of deeper reds and blues. They also don't put emphasis on shadows or gray tones. That's primarily because the atmosphere is generally lighter than most other shows.
Lastly, I understand why you won't watch the Batman shows. Not everyone is a fan of Batman, and that's fine. I'm just saying that those shows embody what it means to tell a quality story aimed at all ages. These show you how to properly develop characters and incorporate comedy into a setting that is also serious. |
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No Uncle Grandpa? Seriously?
What's Wolfgang McHairyback gonna do? |
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PvrosJoin Date: 2012-08-25
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No one is comapring it to samurai jack. ive been watching that show too long to compare it to steven universe. they are both good. my point is your trashing a show you know nothing about and now its not just me that sees it. your dumb arguments are about to piss someone else off and why tf are you bringing up samurai jack over and over. we get it you love it more than everything else. |
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How am I making a dumb argument? You don't even know the difference between a Gothic and Noir setting without looking it up. However, Samurai Jack is not my favorite cartoon series. That is currently a tie between Avatar: The Last Airbender, Batman: The Animated Series and Star Wars: The Clone Wars. My arguments are based off of what I've observed about Steven Universe. It's art style, storytelling and most importantly the character development could use some improvement. It's a solid C+ in my book. I just don't see what's to love about it. It has its good and bad episodes. It's just nothing compared to any of CN's older shows like Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends or Young Justice. I mean sure, I'd keep the show on the current lineup if I were in charge. I'd just reboot it. |
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PvrosJoin Date: 2012-08-25
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k well im done here because you don't understand that if you don't watch all the episodes you cant judge a show. watch maybe like two stevenbombs and you would understand and i know its not old CN because old CN is gone now, those production teams are gone and now were left with people trying to make it better, and that is what Rebecca Sugar is trying to do. That's why she left the Adventure Time team, it wasnt going anywhere and Steven Universe is. The way it looks doesn't matter to me because the vibrant colors are only there because of the gems and the way they are designed and what they are. when peridot came, the whole setting turned green to show that it was peridot, the green gem, and it amplified the fear in the characters. their normal coloring left and it showed that this wasn't something normal and it was new and scary for them. if you would take the time to understand why the show is the way it is instead of comparing it to shows that are over maybe you could enjoy it some. Rating it compared to shows that are over is going to get you no where. Thats all im going to say here because you are wasting my time and i feel as if your arguments are biased whereas i am trying to remove the bias from my arguments. |
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"if your arguments are biased whereas i am trying to remove the bias from my arguments."
You literally just said that modern CN is better than old CN. That's called a bias. I have nothing against the Cartoonstitute project CN is doing. I just don't think the shows are as good as they used to. Again, I have WATCHED STEVEN UNIVERSE before. That's how I garnered my opinion. I know why the art style is the way it is. Cartoon Network purposely made the art style look the way it does because it appeals to younger audiences. They make the art style simplistic so younger kids (below 10) can draw the characters with ease. This was originally brought in by Craig McCracken (legendary CN artist) when he was working on the Powerpuff Girls. It's mainly compared to art deco, but it's not really the same. Steven Universe just uses rounded lines and bright colors to give off that flashy appeal and make the show appealing to primarily younger audiences.
The reason they target younger audiences is because they buy the most merchandise. That's why they impose guidelines on TV PG cartoons. Truthfully, a ton of their "PG" shows could pass off as TV Y7, but they keep the "PG" because it makes older audiences (12+) feel like they're watching a more mature show. The only thing keeping the shows PG are the storylines, which, let's be honest, are up to debate. It's not really Steven Universes fault it isn't as good as it should be, but I'm just not a big fan of the show in general. I don't like the storyline, characters or much of the art style. I would have done the show very differently. |
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