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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVlhMGQgDkY
Kinda makes you wonder though, exactly how close are we to being entirely replaced by robots in manual labor? I mean, we already are being replaced by stationary machinery and these upcoming Amazon drones, but mobile units like Atlas can do a lot more than that.
Atlas looks like it could do something like deliver mail, walk dogs, work docks, maybe even replace security guards if they could make a more advanced detection algorithm.
Whether it be ten years or ten decades, it looks like most (if not all) blue-collar jobs are going to be dominated by robots. They'd be a much cheaper alternative, too. You'd be putting a lot less money into a robot than an actual person in the long-run. Sure, it'll run you hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars in initial payments, but you don't have to pay it past that. Sure, you have the occasional repair and recharge cost, but that's about it. It's not like they'd ever be an insubordinate either, and they probably wouldn't make near as many mistakes as people would if they were fine-tuned enough.
Anyway, sorry for the rant, this just excites and worries me at the same time.
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xKeplarJoin Date: 2012-07-15
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Cool. |
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"aw hell nah"
No more blue-collar jobs for us. :^(
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"Cool."
It's cool when you think about the increase of efficiency, yeah.
But fast-food workers get replaced, couriers get replaced, what remaining jobs there are in factories get replaced, security guards could get replaced, landscapers get replaced, just about everyone in manual labor gets replaced. Millions (billions, if you count other countries) of people get put out of work. They're not going to be able to create enough white-collar jobs to compensate for that.
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i believe a future alike the one you're describing is inevitable, but also that it won't come during our time of living.
i simply don't see how it'll become legal, as it's going to create numerous conflicts within society - both religiously and morally.
this reminds me of a project I recently presented, my theme being development; I decided to create my own society.
this society consisted of robots and only robots working. people would own them and these machines would replace their work for them, paying the government all of their "robot" salary thus resulting in everyone in the entire world getting an equal pay.
quite flawed, I know, but it was interesting. that everyone would live equally off of the same paycheck not having to move an inch at all. |
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surely I believe that during our existence, there will be more things done automatically for us rather than manually, but it won't be a large amount. as I earlier claimed; it's going to create conflicts within the world. |
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"i believe a future alike the one you're describing is inevitable, but also that it won't come during our time of living.
i simply don't see how it'll become legal, as it's going to create numerous conflicts within society - both religiously and morally."
Well, you do have to consider the sheer acceleration of technological development. When most of us were born, self-driving cars were nothing more than an idea. Now we're on the brink of having them commercially available. These robots are are about the same stage, and humans are ALREADY getting replaced by them in some circumstances.
"this society consisted of robots and only robots working. people would own them and these machines would replace their work for them, paying the government all of their "robot" salary thus resulting in everyone in the entire world getting an equal pay.
quite flawed, I know, but it was interesting. that everyone would live equally off of the same paycheck not having to move an inch at all."
I didn't actually think of this being a benefit. Yeah, companies could buy their own robots to do their work, but people could also rent them out to people for money. They wouldn't be self-aware, so it wouldn't necessarily be slavery.
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yes, humans are indeed getting replaced on very, very few occasions. - yet that still manages to cause certain smaller "outrages"
surely we're on the path, as I said it's inevitable. but it (hopefully) most likely will not happen within the current generations time of living. - if this is going to actually happen, then we need to proceed with what comes prior to it becoming legal and accepted, it'll be challenged morally, it'll face demonstrations and it'll be a great political issue just like immigration.
i simply do not see it happen anytime soon
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"if this is going to actually happen, then we need to proceed with what comes prior to it becoming legal and accepted, it'll be challenged morally, it'll face demonstrations and it'll be a great political issue just like immigration."
There will always be some demand for actual people in manual labor, I'm almost 100% sure. They'd just have to create more white-collar jobs to compensate for the drop in available blue-collar jobs. This would involve raising education, which is a big task in itself.
I get the practical issues, but heavy moral implications in these kinds of things have always frustrated me. It might seem obvious to some people why it's morally wrong, but it's always seemed like more of a needless roadblock than anything to say something is morally wrong because it doesn't pertain to a religion or personal view. Maybe I'm just not seeing it right, I don't know.
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eh, I possess my own moral compass too without the care for others, so I don't see it either. but I am definitely able to predict when people believe certain things aren't morally correct.
anyhow, your answer isn't that simple; it won't just easily rise the level of education.' if you consider other factors, it could indeed also decrease considering the lack of a positive work environment which many people require. - one of them being me.
I'd demonstrate against this, I don't wish for the world to become this way |
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"anyhow, your answer isn't that simple; it won't just easily rise the level of education.' if you consider other factors, it could indeed also decrease considering the lack of a positive work environment which many people require. - one of them being me."
Rising education and stringency on high passing rates is just part of the solution. White-collar jobs tend to require higher educated people, and simply creating more jobs won't do much good. People work blue-collar jobs for a reason. Sometimes it's because they simply can't find any other jobs, but it's quite often because they're not educated enough to qualify for it.
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but here's the thing; what if you don't wish for the jobs presented to you? |
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"but here's the thing; what if you don't wish for the jobs presented to you?"
Then it's your own fault for not taking it. I'm sure there will always be some open slots for actual people in blue-collar jobs (that might be one of the laws that accompany the robots), but people have to accept that they won't ALWAYS get the job they want.
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MadSanityJoin Date: 2009-11-13
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I'm glad it doesn't walk stupidly like asimo ( no offense but it does, like it regardless) |
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but it's not that they're not *given* the job. we're (very blunt said) taking those jobs from them.
essentially what we would be telling them is; "hey! we don't want your effort because we can manipulate mechanisms into doing them for us."
a job is but a job, but one should also enjoy it. your way of thinking is rational and logical, but doesn't always fit in with this world. theories are great, but are indeed simply theories. |
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"I'm glad it doesn't walk stupidly like asimo ( no offense but it does, like it regardless)"
Atlas walks a bit wonky, but it kinda has to to keep balance.
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what must be taken into consideration is that some people are practical and others creative
some people are book-smart and others are street-smart
we shouldn't box people in and force them in positions they don't like, putting a false label on them. not all humans are alike.
surely, we give them options as to what jobs they can choose but the options are all illusions, because they are indeed limited |
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"but it's not that they're not *given* the job. we're (very blunt said) taking those jobs from them.
essentially what we would be telling them is; "hey! we don't want your effort because we can manipulate mechanisms into doing them for us.""
But it's beneficial to the employers if they can manipulate their employees. 100% manipulation is beneficial to anyone who knows how to do it. Non-sentient machines are able to be manipulated almost 100% of the time since they have no subjective opinions.
"a job is but a job, but one should also enjoy it. your way of thinking is rational and logical, but doesn't always fit in with this world. theories are great, but are indeed simply theories."
That simply means people would have to broaden their horizons. There are plenty of white-collar jobs that I'm sure a lot of people would enjoy. I doubt scientists would ever be completely replaced by robots like Atlas.
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"what must be taken into consideration is that some people are practical and others creative
some people are book-smart and others are street-smart"
I doubt musicians and other artists would ever be replaced, and there'll always be a market for people with a practical mindset.
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xdude52Join Date: 2012-12-24
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Atlas looks cool.
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xdude52Join Date: 2012-12-24
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Also, it kinda looks like a protection.
Inb4 protectrons |
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it's beneficial economically, it's beneficial if we think development but it's not beneficial to the human mindset, the human way of living which is indeed the problem.
again, you can't force people into positions they don't enjoy. what if they simply do NOT wish for any of the jobs you've presented? what if they wish for a position alike the robots? are you going to take away that opportunity simply because there are other opportunities for them elsewhere, which are beneficial to .. you? |
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xdude52Join Date: 2012-12-24
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*protect tron |
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