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darks opinions matter just as much as black lives matter
ill let you figure it out |
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SwagudeloJoin Date: 2013-05-23
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free uni - horrible idea and people like you in favor of this should probably pay for your own sh*t and stop asking for handouts
better rights for marginalized people - there are no rights that one group of people have that the others don't
better rights for women (god no i'm not a feminist but miss america is still a thing so yeah) - so is miss universe. and most women like and watch the competition. stop talking. also, women have all the rights men have.
not jumping straight into war - not even going to bother
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKXGA-AU50w
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"free uni - horrible idea and people like you in favor of this should probably pay for your own sh*t and stop asking for handouts"
how is free uni a horrible idea and how is it a handout? everyone who's good enough deserves the chance to go to university to follow what they want to do without having to worry about the financial aspect of it.
"better rights for marginalized people - there are no rights that one group of people have that the others don't"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CesHr99ezWE
" better rights for women (god no i'm not a feminist but miss america is still a thing so yeah) - so is miss universe. and most women like and watch the competition. stop talking. also, women have all the rights men have."
i don't know what women you've been talking to because most females i know hate miss universe and crap like that and they don't know crap about politics.
"not jumping straight into war - not even going to bother"
vietnam, iraq, afghanistan........ |
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"how is free uni a horrible idea and how is it a handout? everyone who's good enough deserves the chance to go to university to follow what they want to do without having to worry about the financial aspect of it."
hmm...
scholarships
free government grants
need based financial aid
something called a job (the thing that hardworking underprivileged people have that allows them to pay for higher level education)
student loans
what were you saying again?
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CesHr99ezWE"
territories aren't states, sorry
when they pay taxes like citizens in U.S. states do, then they can vote
"i don't know what women you've been talking to because most females i know hate miss universe and crap like that and they don't know crap about politics."
so how again is this relevant? what does it have to do with rights?
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"something called a job"
something most university and college kids won't have enough time to get and a minimum wage job does not pay nearly enough to pay off college/university debt. this isn't the 60s where a summer minimum wage job could pay off a full year.
"student loans"
these just increase debt, not lower it
"if i find out that razor teeth has been making fun of me, i'll turn him into cat food and lots of it"
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SwagudeloJoin Date: 2013-05-23
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"something most university and college kids won't have enough time to get and a minimum wage job does not pay nearly enough to pay off college/university debt. this isn't the 60s where a summer minimum wage job could pay off a full year."
filling out a FAFSA takes 20 minutes. Grants + financial aid and a job could 100% pay for in-state tuition to any public university in the United States
"these just increase debt, not lower it"
not if you actually get a degree that matters and don't major in music history. loans don't accumulate interest until you graduate. most people who actually have a substantial degree can pay it off within a couple of years |
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also don't give me the BS about not having time for a minimum wage job because my father paid his way through a bachelors degree in chemistry and pharmacy school with no family in the united states and no help or free handouts |
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"also don't give me the BS about not having time for a minimum wage job because my father paid his way through a bachelors degree in chemistry and pharmacy school with no family in the united states and no help or free handouts"
yeah and what was tuition like back then? I bet you it wasn't nearly as high as it is today
also, the minimum wage of 3.35 in 1986 is worth 7.25 in today's dollars, but tuition wasn't nearly as high
"if i find out that razor teeth has been making fun of me, i'll turn him into cat food and lots of it"
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"yeah and what was tuition like back then? I bet you it wasn't nearly as high as it is today
also, the minimum wage of 3.35 in 1986 is worth 7.25 in today's dollars, but tuition wasn't nearly as high"
do you think pharmacy school is cheap?
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as a guy in college right now. id love free handouts.
pleaseeeee and thank you. |
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hell, your dad probably went to college well before 1986. If he went to college in the 1960s or 1970s, the minimum wage would be worth more than it is now.
The US minimum wage for example in 1968 was equal to 10 dollars today.
"if i find out that razor teeth has been making fun of me, i'll turn him into cat food and lots of it"
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1. If my father went to college in the 1960s he would be in his 70s... are you even reading what you're posting
2. My father would not have been allowed to attend the university he did in the 1960s |
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1) Please tell me how I'm supposed to know how old your Dad is.
2) Tuition is still literally impossible to pay off through just a job now. It now takes 2,229 hours at the minimum wage to pay off an AVERAGE college tuition for a year. On top of the 1,020 hours the average student spends studying and in class. That's 3,249 hours and the average American is awake for 6,278. So unless you spend 52% of your waking hours in a year working or studying, you can't pay off college tuition through a job.
"if i find out that razor teeth has been making fun of me, i'll turn him into cat food and lots of it"
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"1) Please tell me how I'm supposed to know how old your Dad is."
just by simple common sense, you can't be dumb enough to think that my dad is in his mid-70s
"2) Tuition is still literally impossible to pay off through just a job now."
no it's not, but you tell yourself that.
University and government grants alone are need based. For example, if your family makes $25,000 a year, you'll get $5,000 from the government, and a number from the University proportional to what their tuition is. If it's around $7,000 like most in-state schools, you would receive $2,250. That covers your entire tuition. All you have to pay for is your food, living expenses, class materials, and books, assuming you aren't living at home.
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"just by simple common sense, you can't be dumb enough to think that my dad is in his mid-70s"
I know your Dad isn't, but I don't even know his birth date.
"no it's not, but you tell yourself that."
The fact so many students are in thousands of dollars of debt tells me otherwise.
"if i find out that razor teeth has been making fun of me, i'll turn him into cat food and lots of it"
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"The fact so many students are in thousands of dollars of debt tells me otherwise."
they should get real degrees and go to actual schools
the fact that i just gave you real substantial facts about how to pay for college tuition if you can't afford it and you completely ignored all of my points is just wasting my time
my father went to school for 9 years, accumulated more than $100,000 in student loans, and paid all of it off within 4-5 years
and at that point he wasn't even a citizen of the United States, his family was thousands of miles away across the sea, and didn't have nearly any of the advantages that the average white American has today
all of the excuses are tired and just pampered whining
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oh yeah, you mention textbooks. They've gone up in price over 1000% since 1977. The average textbook expense is now over 1200 dollars and that has no chance of going down realistically.
"they should get real degrees and go to actual schools"
too bad regardless of degree and school, you'll still have loads of debt. In fact, the better the school generally means the more you pay.
"the fact that i just gave you real substantial facts about how to pay for college tuition if you can't afford it and you completely ignored all of my points is just wasting my time"
and I gave you hard numbers that prove college expenses have gone up higher than anything else by a country mile. Even medical expenses which have gone up by 607% since 1978 have nothing on college tuition's 1134%. In fact, college tuition doubled from just 2000-2011.
It's not as easy as "GET A MINIMUM WAGE JOB OVER THE SUMMER" anymore, especially as the minimum wage's real value has declined a ton.
"if i find out that razor teeth has been making fun of me, i'll turn him into cat food and lots of it"
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"oh yeah, you mention textbooks. They've gone up in price over 1000% since 1977. The average textbook expense is now over 1200 dollars and that has no chance of going down realistically."
nice try, but textbooks are included in the overall cost of the price to attend college, and on average cost students $2,000 if they paid for ALL of their textbooks, which is rarely necessary as many teachers tell students they don't need textbooks for their class
"too bad regardless of degree and school, you'll still have loads of debt. In fact, the better the school generally means the more you pay."
Not at all lol. If you go to college only for a bachelors degree and pay in-state tuition, you shouldn't have to take out any loans at all if you fill out a FAFSA.
and if you do decide to accept the loans the offer you, it won't be more than $3,000
"and I gave you hard numbers that prove college expenses have gone up higher than anything else by a country mile. Even medical expenses which have gone up by 607% since 1978 have nothing on college tuition's 1134%. In fact, college tuition doubled from just 2000-2011."
and it's a very very very very stupid point because i gave you many ways to pay for these expenses
"It's not as easy as "GET A MINIMUM WAGE JOB OVER THE SUMMER" anymore, especially as the minimum wage's real value has declined a ton."
lol? you realize most college students paying their way through school work during the year, after their classes, right? |
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"and it's a very very very very stupid point because i gave you many ways to pay for these expenses"
Let's see the ones you gave:
-scholarships: only if you're a super good student
-free government grants: only if you're from a poor background
-need based financial aid: see above
-a job: minimum wage is not remotely enough, as I said you have to spend 52% of your waking hours if you're going to an average school. It'll be more in many cases.
-student loans: do you really think they decrease debt, especially when there's interest on said loans?
"if i find out that razor teeth has been making fun of me, i'll turn him into cat food and lots of it"
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"-scholarships: only if you're a super good student"
1. this is supposed to be a problem? lol. why should bad students get scholarships? do you understand the concept of higher education?
2. there are millions of scholarships to apply for that have nothing to do with your grades. there are scholarships for all different kinds of things and people, so this is not true at all. if you actually dedicated time to it
$135 million of scholarship money goes unclaimed each year because no one applies for them. yet i'll bet these are the same people that complain about the cost of college
-free government grants: only if you're from a poor background
anyone can file a FAFSA lol. It has nothing to do with your background, rich or poor
I did and I got tens of thousands of dollars from schools
"-need based financial aid: see above"
this is what university grants are for
"-a job: minimum wage is not remotely enough, as I said you have to spend 52% of your waking hours if you're going to an average school. It'll be more in many cases.
-student loans: do you really think they decrease debt, especially when there's interest on said loans?"
when you graduate with your degree and interest starts to accumulate, you're not working minimum wage anymore. do i really have to explain this?
like i said, interest doesn't accumulate while you're still in school
all things considered, you seem to be very uninformed on this subject
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"1. this is supposed to be a problem? lol. why should bad students get scholarships? do you understand the concept of higher education?"
I'm not saying bad students should get scholarships. I'm saying that it's not an option that's gonna pay for everyone.
"when you graduate with your degree and interest starts to accumulate, you're not working minimum wage anymore. do i really have to explain this?"
But there will be a wait between graduating and getting a degree
If you really think college is payable through a mere minimum wage job, look at this graph:
http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/2014/03/MW_hours_for_tuition_us/97c6903e3.png
If you extrapolate, in 2013, it took 991 hours of minimum wage work to pay off a single year of college. I can safely say that would be well over 1 thousand by now.
"if i find out that razor teeth has been making fun of me, i'll turn him into cat food and lots of it"
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