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It seems VAK is still convinced that their base is fair enough for a 15v15 after a few small changes, so I have to make another thread to stop the thought that a 15v15 is somehow acceptable. Rather than different sections I will be addressing points VAK make about why they think it is fair.
1. "The path to the base is the same."
The time may be close, but no it is not the same. For raiders to reach the base they have to walk around a wall and go through the opening and then either take the waterfall obby to distance themselves from defenders shooting them on way to obby or run straight through the field to reach obby fast at risk of being shot down. After this they do an easy obby (after locating the right stone) only to find themselves in an area with almost no cover and have to make a long run towards the base under those conditions.
VAK has a straight run to their obby out of sight from the raider side of map. The obby is quick and puts them on the same side the terminal building/gate controls are and in the blind spot of the balcony.
2. "You can flood and it makes it easier since server is raidable with 12 VAK."
The raiders have a cap at 15, so their are always 15 defenders - making it start with 12 means nothing.
3. "Once you get the base it's easy to hold it."
Is it? VAK can easily shoot down the raiders as they try to approach the base but VAK make it into the base from the blind spot of balcony making it super easy to go in the building.
4. "VAK have a longer timer."
You are the defenders so this is irrelevant, the only thing VAK has to do is reset the terminal when raiders are holding it. Holding the terminal as defenders just ends the raid faster.
5. "We both have to hold the base."
Again, wrong. VAK does NOT have to hold the base, they have to stop the raiders from holding it. Raiders have to hold the base for 30 minutes while facing the same amount of defenders with several entrances to the very open and vulnerable terminal room.
6. "VAK room has been there literally forever."
So what? Raiders don't get a room they can hide in without risk of VAK killing them, so you shouldn't either. It enables you to just run inside fast and keep piling people until you have enough to contest terminal.
[CONCLUSION]
VAK is a clan that, since their creation has tried to prove skill beats numbers and them requiring the same amount of people to defend is a slap in the face to their own ideology. Not only does this hurt VAK's image, it will damage every war they attempt and constantly hold the group back from having any actual fun. You're making your own members suffer because you're trying so hard to prevent others from winning.
If you still think that it is somehow reasonable to make your base 15v15 with a 30 minute timer, multiple entrances to terminal w/ open room and easier access to the base then you need a reality check. It's time to stop hiding behind your base to avoid actual conflict in fear of losing, there's more to a clan than being undefeated (which you probably won't be ANYWAYS) and facing hardship head on will make you better than any unfair advantages could hope to.
If you want to give yourself advantages, do that. People will complain but people complain about literally anything - giving subtle advantages and forcing half the server to be defenders is the worst possible thing any clan can do. As long as you don't use ATAC's/Division weapons nobody is going to care if you have a closer spawn or other typical defender advantages. Stop holding yourself back, you can't have a base fair enough to be equal numbers and give one team a harder objective.
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give them a break already they're afraid of losing mang |
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Matthais5Join Date: 2012-04-19
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butbutbut muh reputations |
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This thread will be bumped daily. |
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Alley_CatJoin Date: 2008-09-28
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You've made very good, reasonable points in a logical and well-spoken manner. I can't do anything except read and bump. |
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Theta0Join Date: 2011-02-09
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"VAK is a clan that, since their creation has tried to prove skill beats numbers and them requiring the same amount of people to defend is a slap in the face to their own ideology."
"VAK is a clan that, since their creation has tried to prove skill beats numbers"
"VAK is a clan that, "
"VAK is a clan"
that is all i read
confirmed clan is vak
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malike789Join Date: 2011-04-16
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So much truth. |
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Theta0Join Date: 2011-02-09
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shut up you know im right
clan is vak
ribbit |
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MohxyJoin Date: 2010-12-20
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You also forgot how VAK gets in positions in the base first.
Raiders need to hold the terminal for 30 minutes to win.
VAK needs to take the terminal within that 30 minute frame to win. So they could have control of the base for 10 seconds while raiders had control for 25 minutes and yet, VAK would still win.
You forgot how there's 3 key areas raiders need to hold if they're wanting to win - jail, floor two, gate. There's really 3 objectives for raiders and its extremely hard to hold all 3 with just 15 people. |
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Theta0Join Date: 2011-02-09
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clan is vak
u know im right
ribbit |
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I addressed the 30 minute point, but as for positions I did a lot of that in an older thread that I should have linked in the main post: https://forum.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=184216617 |
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BrutecusJoin Date: 2011-08-06
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Mohxy, everyone respawns once a server is official, so how the hell do we get the chance to set up first. Raiders rarely fight us while rushing towards the gate, so they forfeit the chance of getting into the base first.
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VAK get to the base faster than raiders. |
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BrutecusJoin Date: 2011-08-06
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Also, raiders need to hold the terminal for 1800 seconds, whereas Vaktovians need to hold it for 2400 seconds to win.
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"You are the defenders so this is irrelevant, the only thing VAK has to do is reset the terminal when raiders are holding it. Holding the terminal as defenders just ends the raid faster."
HOW IS THIS HARD TO COMPREHEND |
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Matthais5Join Date: 2012-04-19
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The implication is that somehow both parties have time to sit around for years playing a single game without pause, which is obviously not the case |
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honestly vak keeps saying the same thing |
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kalo7429Join Date: 2009-03-08
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Damn |
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