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what they talked about there doesn't matter because they actually talked about something else that's a lot more interesting.
relegation in nhl. would it work? never thought of this but it wouldn't actually be a bad idea at all. |
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123yonndTop 100 PosterJoin Date: 2008-07-19
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short answer: no
long answer: no it would not. |
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no keep that garbage in soccer
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TForcierJoin Date: 2009-10-07
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@cheesey
its Europe as a whole that does it, not just one sport. |
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drbatJoin Date: 2008-09-13
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"relegation in nhl. would it work? never thought of this but it wouldn't actually be a bad idea at all."
No. The league under the NHL, the AHL, is used as a minor league. NHL teams send there players there (sort of like a loan)
The next would be ECHL. The skill gap between these leagues are huge.
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the KHL doesn't do it
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TexafyJoin Date: 2014-06-10
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Lol lets keep American sports leagues American please
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jimbobuckyTop 100 PosterJoin Date: 2008-06-01
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It would not work financially |
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TForcierJoin Date: 2009-10-07
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KHL doesn't do it yes but many other leagues in Europe do, such as top ones like Liiga and SHL. |
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"It would not work financially"
yeah too bad everyone else says this about relegation in european leagues and guess what? if you aren't an idiot with money you'll be fine going down (see; burnley, hull city, sampdoria, villareal, sc freiburg, newcastle united x2). the only clubs who'd suffer from relegation are the idiot clubs who spend too much money.
also the nhl is the one sport in the us (outside football) that i think pro/rel could work. you have two countries with varying interest in the sport so you'll see a good number of sized teams in markets that could work.
you could have it set up with the bottom team from each conference going down with the team who finishes 3rd bottom overall going into a play-off against another side to see who goes/stays up. it's not hard.
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DiskerudJoin Date: 2014-02-17
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"yeah too bad everyone else says this about relegation in european leagues and guess what? if you aren't an idiot with money you'll be fine going down (see; burnley, hull city, sampdoria, villareal, sc freiburg, newcastle united x2). the only clubs who'd suffer from relegation are the idiot clubs who spend too much money."
newsflash
the United States isn't Europe
"also the nhl is the one sport in the us (outside football) that i think pro/rel could work. you have two countries with varying interest in the sport so you'll see a good number of sized teams in markets that could work."
No American or Canadian casual sports fan is going to show up to watch a team that isn't among the best in the world
Also, no owner in the world is going to give up hundreds of millions of his own personal money and investments just to see this dumb idea come to fruition
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SunhotJoin Date: 2010-05-10
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no one will show up to watch the chicago fire season opener after they've been relegted to USL to play cheyenne afc
us sporting culture is just a lot more fickle |
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DiskerudJoin Date: 2014-02-17
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cheyenne afc on the other hand, i think could sell out a small stadium
nothing else to do there lmao |
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"newsflash
the United States isn't Europe"
wow thanks for the newsflash!
"No American or Canadian casual sports fan is going to show up to watch a team that isn't among the best in the world"
Diskerud: "The US is the best sporting nation in the world"
you can't say that statement and then say your sports fans are just a bunch of plastics it's called contradicting yourself. also if the hershey bears can average just under 10000 people in the ahl (last season's attendance) then i think second tier teams have a chance.
"Also, no owner in the world is going to give up hundreds of millions of his own personal money and investments just to see this dumb idea come to fruition"
randy lerner
ellis short
those idiots who bought real mallorca who are in the segunda
the idiots who almost bought rangers when they were in the scottish 4th division
the owner of deportivo in la liga
juventus's owners when they got relegated due to the calpolici scandal
the owner of tsg hoffenheim
red bull and rb leipzig
the owners of derby county
steve gibson who owns boro
they all invested millions and all got relegated at one stage or another (or are about to). seems people don't mind giving up hundreds of millions for this dumb idea. same with american owners too!
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123yonndTop 100 PosterJoin Date: 2008-07-19
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Reasons why promotion and relegation for NHL is stupid.
1. Draft: How the hell is the draft going to work? If you allow the second tier teams to draft first then that cause the lower league to actually become more powerful over time. Likewise with draft just for the top tier teams, no owner would agree to that.
2. Money: Owners are not going to put millions into a team that has the possiblity to sit in a second tier for years with little media attention to gather fans.
3. Teams: The Toronto Maple Leafs and the Edmonton Oilers had the two worst records in NHL this year. Lets say they get relegated. That isn't good for hockey.
4. Players: Lets play some hypotheticals. Oh boy my superstar is close to breaking Gretzky's career points total and is going to retire after one more season. Too bad our team got relegated and the only way he can get the record is having us TRADE HIM. |
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123yonndTop 100 PosterJoin Date: 2008-07-19
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harlem, you have forgotten that there isn't a salary cap in every major European league. The NHL has a hard salary cap and it limits the opportunity for a rich ass owner to buy their way to the top of the standings. |
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DiskerudJoin Date: 2014-02-17
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"Diskerud: "The US is the best sporting nation in the world"
you can't say that statement and then say your sports fans are just a bunch of plastics it's called contradicting yourself. also if the hershey bears can average just under 10000 people in the ahl (last season's attendance) then i think second tier teams have a chance."
i'm curious as to where in here i said this? are you delusional? you are literally putting words in my mouth just to support your dumb eurocentric anti-americanization agenda
"they all invested millions and all got relegated at one stage or another (or are about to). seems people don't mind giving up hundreds of millions for this dumb idea. same with american owners too!"
hey dumbass. promotion and relegation were already in place when these owners bought their teams. i know you're not smart enough to understand what i'm saying, so let me break it down for you.
right now as it stands, the top 4 sports leagues in the U.S. make billions of dollars. the billions of dollars are split evenly among the 30 or so owners of each team. this is how single entity sport works. no owner is going to say yes to some dumb promotion/relegation implementation so they can potentially lose out on the billions of dollars that they are guaranteed in revenue.
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"1. Draft: How the hell is the draft going to work? If you allow the second tier teams to draft first then that cause the lower league to actually become more powerful over time. Likewise with draft just for the top tier teams, no owner would agree to that."
this is the only idea i'm struggling to come up with but there is an alternative and they're called academies!
"2. Money: Owners are not going to put millions into a team that has the possiblity to sit in a second tier for years with little media attention to gather fans."
football is the only example i have of pro/rel so it will be the example i continue to use. you would be amazed at how much money owners are willing to spend just to achieve what you just stated.
"3. Teams: The Toronto Maple Leafs and the Edmonton Oilers had the two worst records in NHL this year. Lets say they get relegated. That isn't good for hockey."
leeds, newcastle, blackburn, aston villa and nottingham forest were/are relegated. english football is still alive. rangers going down was meant to kill off scottish football. guess what? they're back next season. juventus in 06 for italian football.
"4. Players: Lets play some hypotheticals. Oh boy my superstar is close to breaking Gretzky's career points total and is going to retire after one more season. Too bad our team got relegated and the only way he can get the record is having us TRADE HIM."
welcome to the world of being a southampton fan in the 90's with matt le tissier on your team. or (away from football!), robert harvey playing for st. kilda for 21 fng years and not winning a single flag despite being a legend. or (back to football), totti at roma his whole career. they nor the fans complained much?
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"this is the only idea i'm struggling to come up with but there is an alternative and they're called academies!"
oh yeah, cause the NCAA is going to looooove that |
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"harlem, you have forgotten that there isn't a salary cap in every major European league. The NHL has a hard salary cap and it limits the opportunity for a rich ass owner to buy their way to the top of the standings."
i haven't forgotten and that's why people who say "bad financially" are more stupid than me because there are already measures to prevent teams from going bust in this potential scenario this way. football is the example i am most aware of (unless amateur state league aussie rules counts?) so as said before i'll continue to use it. |
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"i'm curious as to where in here i said this? are you delusional? you are literally putting words in my mouth just to support your dumb eurocentric anti-americanization agenda"
you, book and several others all said this in that wc thread i made last week so i'm not putting words in your mouth i'm repeating what you said.
and believe it or not there are actually aspects of european football that i despise (the huge gap between the wealthy and the poor).
"hey dumbass. promotion and relegation were already in place when these owners bought their teams. i know you're not smart enough to understand what i'm saying, so let me break it down for you."
really?!? i never knew?!!! it might just be me giving examples!!!!? but i guess we'll never know!03223!
"right now as it stands, the top 4 sports leagues in the U.S. make billions of dollars. the billions of dollars are split evenly among the 30 or so owners of each team. this is how single entity sport works. no owner is going to say yes to some dumb promotion/relegation implementation so they can potentially lose out on the billions of dollars that they are guaranteed in revenue."
so you have personally discussed this with every owner of an nhl side have you? alright what did the owner of the oilers say?
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"oh yeah, cause the NCAA is going to looooove that"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX8BXH3SJn0
i think the ncaa might love that more tbh
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DiskerudJoin Date: 2014-02-17
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considering the oilers finish in last place every year, i'm almost 100% sure that their owner definitely would not want promotion/relegation in place and lose out on the multi-billion dollar industry that is canadian hockey TV contracts for the NHL
here's a really good idea. how about we leave everything alone the way it is and the NHL keeps making billions of dollars instead of implementing a system that would not only get them slapped with a lawsuit from all 30 current owners but is also widely unpopular in the United States and Canada? |
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123yonndTop 100 PosterJoin Date: 2008-07-19
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this is the only idea i'm struggling to come up with but there is an alternative and they're called academies!
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would create unfair advantage for the typical regional markets. teams in northern states and canada would get more talent when compared to nashville. it's an unfair system that owners from the south would not find favorable.
football is the only example i have of pro/rel so it will be the example i continue to use. you would be amazed at how much money owners are willing to spend just to achieve what you just stated.
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they are MORE likely to make those risks with no salary cap.
leeds, newcastle, blackburn, aston villa and nottingham forest were/are relegated. english football is still alive. rangers going down was meant to kill off scottish football. guess what? they're back next season. juventus in 06 for italian football.
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but not a manchester united, liverpool, arsenal. and the SPL has GREATLY declined since Rangers were sent down, it's a sad state for the league right now.
welcome to the world of being a southampton fan in the 90's with matt le tissier on your team. or (away from football!), robert harvey playing for st. kilda for 21 fng years and not winning a single flag despite being a legend. or (back to football), totti at roma his whole career. they nor the fans complained much?
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the only way somebody can be pro promotion and relegation for NHL is to get more canadian teams and expand the sport more in the states. considering the attendances in some southern cities right now, it would not work. and with canadian teams tending to finish last in their conference, that wouldn't work either.
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It doesn't work in a franchise system where all the top teams get all the money while everyone in the lower league is literally a farm team. The NHL and KHL are exactly like this.
If you go to Finland or Sweden or some other places in Europe, the clubs are all independent and can help themselves without being the submissive loveslave of the top league's clubs. There's always a qualification system for relegation and promotion anyway, so it's not like they're bringing up lower clubs without proving that they can compete in the top league to some degree. |
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