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Book I think you missed my entire point |
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bookface6Join Date: 2010-12-24
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No, I get your point that the best player doesn't have to win a World Cup or Copa America to become the best ever, but almost every great player has won international silverware.
Yes it's a team sport, I understand that, but people like Maradona single-handedly won the World Cup for Argentina... how do you expect for him to be the best ever if he can't win a Copa America when there are people single-handedly winning World Cups.
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TForcierJoin Date: 2009-10-07
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still waiting on jimbo to reply to this
"it's post after post about "_______ wonderkid" and how you "rate them"
Sorry that I like informing this forum about the future of the sport? |
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all right book, yes, they have led their teams to world cup, at least Maradona did, I'm not going to analyze every player on that list
BUT, I think it's still unfair to base the final comparison on that when there is so much more that Messi has to offer besides "number of World Cups." The World Cup is held once every 4 years, that's an incredibly small window to prove yourself
meanwhile Messi has won 4 Champions Leagues, 5 Ballon D'Ors, all the awards you can think of. I personally give more value to club success and I think that's where we come to an impasse. The club trains a countless amount of times and plays anywhere from 70-80 matches a year, while an international squad is organized for tournaments and friendlies and trains together sporadically
and if you or anyone else is going to try and say that those 4 Champions League titles are the result of having a great team, please check yourself and don't forget how much of a role Messi played in those titles
"Sorry that I like informing this forum about the future of the sport?"
nothing wrong with that, it was just relevant in the context of my post |
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TexafyJoin Date: 2014-06-10
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Messi could retire tomorrow and Barcelona could just buy the next hottest thing to replace him and not blink an eye |
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"Messi could retire tomorrow and Barcelona could just buy the next hottest thing to replace him and not blink an eye "
I too, love hyperbole and assumptions |
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TexafyJoin Date: 2014-06-10
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Lol
Do you really think Barcelona would lose a step without Messi?
And even if they did, they could spend tens of millions to replace him
Messi isn't bigger than Barcelona |
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1. Tim Howard
2-10. Who cares |
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That's beside the point though, where we're talking about what has happened rather than what would happen
and what has happened is Barcelona has 1 Euro cup title without Messi, 4 with him and 3 of his titles coming with being the tournament's leading goalscorer |
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bookface6Join Date: 2010-12-24
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"meanwhile Messi has won 4 Champions Leagues, 5 Ballon D'Ors, all the awards you can think of. I personally give more value to club success and I think that's where we come to an impasse. The club trains a countless amount of times and plays anywhere from 70-80 matches a year, while an international squad is organized for tournaments and friendlies and trains together sporadically"
yes he's won a bunch of champions league titles and *4 ball d'ors, but let's remember that literally every single player that can be considered "one of the best" has won champions leagues (or their equivalent) and most if not all have won ballon d'ors. messi no matter what will be in the top 5 to ever play, but what makes those players better overall than messi is the fact that they could do it for club and country.
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He's won 5* ballon d'ors, 2009-12 and 2015
And you can't just write that off as "most if not all have won ballon d'ors" when Messi has the most in history |
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im glad han isnt here this would be so bad
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bookface6Join Date: 2010-12-24
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messi only has 4 ballon d'ors, i don't know what website you're looking at but it's 4.
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hyzoreJoin Date: 2012-07-22
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IMO Messi is a very good player, but it is for sure hold backs since he hasn't won a world cup.
Ronaldo, You weren't to specific on which Ronaldo. So it could be R9 (Brazilian and Better one) Or CR7.
But since you did compare Ronaldo to Messi, i'll take it that you were referring to CR7.
CR7, Really doesn't get very high in my personal charts. Yea, he has the record for for most goals scored in a single UEFA Champions League season, having scored 17 goals in the 2013–14 season. But like Lionel Messi, I don't think CR7 has ever won a world cup. So you can't really compare them there.
If I did have to make a list of Top 10 players EVER it would go something like this. NOTE THIS IS ALL MY OPIONION
1. Pele (of course)
2. Johan Cruyff
3. Messi
4. Ronaldo (Brazilian.)
5. Diego Maradona
6. Ruud Gullit
7. Zinedine Zidane
8. Alfredo di Stefano
9. Franz Beckenbauer
10. Garrincha
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@Book
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballon_d%27Or_2009
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FIFA_Ballon_d%27Or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_FIFA_Ballon_d%27Or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_FIFA_Ballon_d%27Or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_FIFA_Ballon_d%27Or |
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cyruff #2...
is this because he died recently?
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hancock3Join Date: 2008-08-22
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"C. Ronaldo doesn't even crack top 10" - Sir
Sir, as much as I like you, that is just a horrible opinion |
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hyzoreJoin Date: 2012-07-22
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O, That was a miss type, Meant to put Messi and Cyruff swapped places.
#code print ("Note this was imo") |
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HERE COME THAT BULLSHTTTTTTTTT
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hancock3Join Date: 2008-08-22
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You can't say Messi is #2 if Ronaldo isn't in top 10 lol, they are neck and neck in comparison |
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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hyzoreJoin Date: 2012-07-22
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@hancock, Like you mentioned it is my "opinion" Ronaldo imo is in like 12th for 11th spot.
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TexafyJoin Date: 2014-06-10
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Did you really just put Ruud Gullit on a top 10 list of best players to play the game...? |
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bookface6Join Date: 2010-12-24
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messi has won 4 ballon d'ors, 1 FIFA world player of the year award
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emrekJoin Date: 2010-08-19
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Ronaldo number 4 messi 3 |
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