pwner195Join Date: 2009-11-01
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Alpha Authority, a clan which consisted completely of newcomers, made RAT forge raid wins
and the fact you'd keep ASOV allied to RAT after the leader and its high command approved of cheating is disgusting |
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AA was like a golden clan when it came to getting new players into the clan world
AA's base was literally like a frontpage game and was really fun |
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I just think of it this way, the clan that is "cheating" is like the Roman Empire fighting the Spartans. They didn't fight them the way the Spartans fought everyone else, they used different tactics on them and won. Oh and trust me Romans can be very dishonorable, and Spartans, eh we all saw 300.
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F_lipeJoin Date: 2015-04-25
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"Yeah, is he in the Hall of Fame?"
He was deemed permanently ineligible for anything to do with Major League baseball, but in to be 100% correct yes he is go to the Reds Hall of Fame he's the first thing you see, he also has out performed many players in the Hall of Fame. And is still seen as one of the best players of all time
"but the league views him as if he cheated to be the best"
not a good theory here because the league would be deemed as the administrators which in the case of VAK would be roblox so |
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"Except a clan's status and skill isn't based on how beneficial it is for the clan world."
The most influencing factor in the modern day clan world is strength (In terms of wars). The current clan attitude of "doing anything to win" and that you must always win presides in the majority of clans.
So, simply basing it off of the current clan world's criteria, VAK is absolutely terrible because they don't win those wars without cheating.
However, what makes VAK so much worse is that not only do they continuously cheat, but they have been THE clan that has most advanced this devastating clan attitude. |
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You're not directly justifying it but by challenging people who say that it is a reason for a clan to be considered "bottom 10" or "bad overall" you're bringing up the notion that you think that it's significantly more acceptable than say, being inactive, or being unskilled, or at the very least that you think it's on the same table as those two things. And I'm not saying that you don't have the right to challenge people, you absolutely do on whatever topic you feel like. But you have to understand what you're saying and what you challenging other people is saying.
Because you challenging the concept that cheating automatically invalidates other positive features in a clan, you're basically saying this:
"Oh, it's bad to cheat, BUT, if your clan is ACTIVE and the people in it are REALLY GOOD and have a GOOD COMMUNITY, it doesn't matter!"
And being dismissive of something like cheating in what's supposed to be a fair competition isn't OK. It's the same thing as if the MLB said this in response to Barry Bonds' positive PED test a few years back:
"Oh, it's bad to use steroids, Barry, BUT, because you hit a LOT of home runs and you had 14 all-star selections and you were NL MVP 7 times, we aren't gonna hold it against you!"
Do you see my point?
Beyond that, I don't want your damn money, so don't bother a dumb refutation to keep it. Just know that I'm aware you understand this, you're a smart guy, and I personally think that, even if you didn't INTEND to justify cheating, you should still man up and accept responsibility for what you said, and if you're feeling really manly, go ahead and say you were wrong. |
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scheil3eJoin Date: 2016-05-20
Post Count: 438 |
VAK cheated against TGI, made bs updates against FC before the war even started with them, got pummeled by EL and eventually drew out of that war, didn't have a base set and ready to go for the day the UAF vs. VAK war would begin, consequently, UAF >could have< declared victory because of the war terms, but decided to postpone the date. VAK didn't have a base ready then either, and continued to pull bs when the war started.
RAT cheated against TGI, and were discovered to cheat again against UAF and FoA.
Both clans have a history of cheating, and have thus lost any respect and credibility that they could possibly have had.
This is why they are bad clans. They an ideology similar to "the end justifies the means", where the end is victory, and the means are things that are humanly unfathomable. |
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"but the league views him as if he cheated to be the best"
yo my hometown is the cincinnati reds and let me tell you up front what a complete idiot you are
yes he cheated, yes he lied about, but not ONCE did he ever bet agaisnt his own team
and its truely pathetic that a guy who does steroids and completely messes up the game still be allowed into the hall of fame
>somebody random uses peds
>gets 1 year suspension if its his SECOND strike
pete rose betted for his team to win
>gets lifetime ban from MLB
on side note, i got to see pete rose two days ago get inducted to reds hall of fame as well get to see his number retired
he IS the true hit king as well the overall best play in baseball
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@Bulky
Now, 30 years after he last played in the MLB, people have come to remember him more as a gambler who bet against his own team than one of the best hitters of all time.
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@Kellos
The romans didn't fight the spartans? The spartans fought the persians you goof
Well, rome did fight sparta in the battle of gythium but
come on did you actually even watch the movie |
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F_lipeJoin Date: 2015-04-25
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I've been into major league baseball for years met dozens of Reds legends, players, fans and other teams fans
Not once have I heard a person refer to Pete Rose as a gambler, he visited a Reds@Braves game and the entire stadium reds and braves fans alike gave him a standing ovation |
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"So a clan that can rally 5 people but is totally honorable is overall better than a clan that can rally, say, 150 but cheats?"
It's sad that a clan that rallies 150 people cheats
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"bet against his own team than one of the best hitters of all time."
he didnt bet agaisnt his own team
we always betted for his team
and youre right he did outperform many many if not the majority of the players in cooperstown hall of fame
its a shame that mlb are idiots about this topic though
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"The romans didn't fight the spartans? The spartans fought the persians you goof
Well, rome did fight sparta in the battle of gythium but"
I was talking about the Spartans Honor when I referred to 300 not Romans vs Spartans e.e
sigh how text on forums can be mis-interpreted in so many ways
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opps meant to say he always betted for his team
yeah
i love my cincinnati reds ^_^
even though they are doing crappy rn, i still love em
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2uoJoin Date: 2013-10-27
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if it's a war clan, and they mean to do wars with other groups then that should really be the priority to define their success.
if they cheat to get advantages in war, it removes their integrity entirely, how can anyone be trusted? And if they aren't good at what they're primarily meant to be doing, they're primarily, bad. |
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F_lipeJoin Date: 2015-04-25
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zach this goof don't know nothing bout pete rose
probably getting the black sox mixed up with pete rose
Pete Rose would of and still would take a bullet for any reds team member he would never of went against his own team |
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if a clan cheats, they lose everything
they dont deserve a place on that list if they have to cheat
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ToosaltyJoin Date: 2011-08-17
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War isn't the only aspect to clans. A clan like VAK can't be judged on how their handle themselves during war-time when there's still factors like community, size, activity, place activity, etc.
VAK's pulled some sketchy moves before, but they are by-far one of the most capable clans for war. |
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like 2uo said, war clans are made to war
if you violate that single principle in order to come out on top, you are pathetic
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ill be honest i dont know much about baseball
because its one of the dumbest sports alive |
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OK, past pete rose(Who gambled, not technically cheating in the game)
Specifically PED's, if you get caught with PED abuse in the MLB, the credibility of everything you have done is basically gone and the credibility of everything you will do is brought into question. That was my original point. |
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"VAK's pulled some sketchy moves before, but they are by-far one of the most capable clans for war."
If they are one of the most capable clans for war then why do they cheat EVERY war?
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