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TNI has the power to atleast be top 20 by now, we're very underrated and cryptonox doesn't care for ranks, that's why I'm here.
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galbotrixJoin Date: 2008-12-19
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Neder, I explained this in the other forum, just because they cheated in the past doesn't mean they instantly are disbanded from ever being in top 20. If you take it as that then let's take all clans off the list.
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only change i'd suggest personally (ignoring FC heh) would be swapping RAA and A-SOV tbh
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Maybe not their elites, but reg members. |
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Its not about cheating in the past, its about the continuation of cheating.
And clans such as VAK continue to progress a clan attitude of doing anything to win in (wow wait for this one!) _the present_. Wow, amazing, I know!
Now, I wouldn't expect you to understand Mohxy/Desolade/Keepitloose/InstantImpact since *YOU* yourself have engaged in such tactics. Glitcher, admin abuser, and supporter of unfair bases throughout your time in SF. Absolutely terrific.
It is honestly disgusting that people can consider these clans anywhere near the top. Activity and "skill" means >nothingunenjoyable< for others. |
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MohxyJoin Date: 2010-12-20
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In what war did RAT cheat in to win |
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They had increased gun damage for the "same guns" for well over a year, meaning ummmm, every war during that time...?
Its not just about cheating though, if you truly understood clan theory then you would understand its about the progression/advancement of the clan attitude of "doing anything to win."
If you're talking about solely RAT, the major way they accomplished this atrocious goal is through their cheating. However, this is also accomplished in various other ways.
This is seen in RAT's fort(s) themselves, where RAT has integrated more unfair aspects to fit into this "norm" that its okay to do anything to win. Additionally, the fact that they limit defenses to good gun fighters/FoL is absurd considering it goes against what they claim to be. They are an extremely large super clan that claims to be accepting of all members (Which I totally agree with and what they should be), but the fact that they devalue these members in order to salvage or maintain some sort of "reputation" by C&G is pointless. The devaluing of the average member only plays a larger role in progressing the clan attitude and contributing to the stagnation of the clan world as a whole. |
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"If you're talking about solely RAT, the major way they accomplished this atrocious goal is through their cheating. However, this is also accomplished in various other ways."
rat would still demolish everybody under them in this list easily in a completely fair war with the exception of FC and SC which would most likely be close matches, SC isn't as active but has a lot of skillful members, wheareas FC has a lot of skilled members, a lot less active, but has a difficult base to raid at if you're new to it
"This is seen in RAT's fort(s) themselves, where RAT has integrated more unfair aspects to fit into this "norm" that its okay to do anything to win."
can you name what base you're referring to that isn't fair? Celeste had a slight spawn advantage i believe, sierra was completely fair, same with borealis
"Additionally, the fact that they limit defenses to good gun fighters/FoL is absurd considering it goes against what they claim to be."
if we need to get rid of members they first ask if anyone wants to volunteer and if we still need less people after that, it usually goes by superiority and the soldier ranked members would leave first, which is how everything int he world works
we!!! we love!!! we love RAT!!! |
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MohxyJoin Date: 2010-12-20
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Every clan RAT has warred, they've dominated on the offensive due to their overwhelming activity. You also don't know how long RAT has had the gun damages altered, it could've only been recently. I don't see why the gun damages were a big deal, Sierra was still an easy fort to win at if your clan wasn't terrible & VOID proved that by winning 15 in a row in 2 days. I know many people who would rather raid Sierra than Fort Wolf & there's evidence in that due to the fact, nobody raids Fort Wolf
As for VAK, the only two clans you could say they "cheated" against are TGI, FC, and VOID. If you look at the current status of all these clans, they're all dead. VAK beating RAT and other clans showed their strength. VAK could have the most unfair base in the world, it doesn't take away from the fact they're one of the most dominant at raiding. |
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"rat would still demolish everybody under them in this list easily in a completely fair war"
Whether they have the ability to fight fairly and "demolish" these opponents is besides the point. They >did not< fight fairly and they chose a route of cheating rather than a route of morality and just plain old fun.
Additionally, I think its pretty hard to be certain whether they actually have the ability to "demolish" these groups when in reality we haven't seen what they can actually do in a "completely fair war."
"can you name what base you're referring to that isn't fair?"
Two bases here, the first being Celeste with the updates they did to "counter" good Raiders (SPFlights + perm banning). However, I'm mainly talking about Sierra, which is an unfair fort. If you would like to argue about Sierra then feel free, but I'd just like to point out that just because clans such as FC, FoA, RAA, etc. have won there, that does not mean its fair but that those clans are simply better.
"if we need to get rid of members they first ask if anyone wants to volunteer and if we still need less people after that, it usually goes by superiority and the soldier ranked members would leave first, which is how everything int he world works"
I'm not talking about RAT raids but RAT defenses. The fact that RAT doesn't even shout or give the opportunity to defend for the average member already shows this trend. Additionally, the kicking of RAT members for better members also points towards this trend along with just looking at the server lists and noticing that its mainly always FoL/good fighters.
Sure, RAT may want to win so they send their better fighters (Which a lot of groups do), but RAT should not be claiming they are accepting of all members if they choose this route. |
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"Every clan RAT has warred, they've dominated on the offensive due to their overwhelming activity."
Yeah and look at the wars RAT declined. How is it fair to pick and choose which wars to participate in simply because the enemy is stronger than you? I can understand if a clan is in the middle of development or have some serious internal problems, but the fact that RAT has >continuously< used negotiations to delay and even decline wars is horrendous.
"You also don't know how long RAT has had the gun damages altered, it could've only been recently."
Issues with damage has been noticed at both Sierra and Celeste. Complaints about the damages date back to the TGI/RAT war.
"Sierra was still an easy fort to win at if your clan wasn't terrible"
Sierra isn't an easy fort to win at nor is it a fair fort. Its actually extremely defender-oriented which I can argue if you want, however, I'd like to focus this discussion more upon RAT's behaviors and influence upon clans as a whole.
"VOID proved that by winning 15 in a row in 2 days"
Just because clans can win at a fort doesn't make it fair, it means that that clan is simply better. VOID also won at Labs, does that mean Labs is fair? FoA has won 15v15 at SMO, does that mean SMO is fair?
I know you yourself have been an outspoken critic of VOID forts so I can't see how this argument is valid.
"As for VAK, the only two clans you could say they "cheated" against are TGI, FC, and VOID."
EL & UAF. If you don't say they cheated against EL, then why did you make various threads about them refusing to defend and such?
VAK refusing to defend (Shown in both the EL & UAF war) is absolutely a form of cheating and clans >should not< tolerate clans who engage in such behavior.
"If you look at the current status of all these clans, they're all dead."
Not really sure why you keep saying "FC is dead" when FC has the most recent (and successful) war out of the entire clan world. Also, the FC/RAA conflict is fairly recent in terms of the stagnant clan world.
The fact that these clans are clans that engage in wars that either don't start, end prematurely, or have serious issues during them just shows that they are not worthy of such a title.
"VAK could have the most unfair base in the world, it doesn't take away from the fact they're one of the most dominant at raiding."
Stupid statement. Whether they are good at raiding or not, the fact that they have cheated in >everyconsistently< progress the clan attitude of "doing anything to win." The fact that they can even be considered a top clan after all of this just goes to show how idiotic the clan world is and why the clan world is in the situation it is in.
People always complain about the clan world not being as fun, not being as active, etc., yet they can't seem to comprehend that they are only pushing this agenda by accepting these social "norms" that clans such as VAK seek to push. |
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>Can't find a raid target? Try out WCoR over 98 clans to pick from and counting: https://www.roblox.com/My/Groups.aspx?gid=2722461< |
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ttonyyyJoin Date: 2009-06-04
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Terrible list. |
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TENSHlJoin Date: 2014-05-16
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*sighs* we'll show you when we destroy SC
RAA or Die |
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RAA higher
TRA + ASoV lower |
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FalkionJoin Date: 2013-04-29
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Can't do anything but agree with Neder.
Brings logical points to the table. |
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You have to realize that ned is on the other side of the board when I argued the same point that sierra is very unbalanced just a year 2 years ago after the war.
Pointing out plenty of faults that should of been changed.
And right after we warred them FC had a spree of raids on RAT where they won well over 15 wins (yeah I know wow you can win at the base) but does not excuse rat from unbalancing their base on purpose.
Can't find a raid target? Try out WCoR over 98 clans to pick from and counting: https://www.roblox.com/My/Groups.aspx?gid=2722461 |
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raa doesnt deserve to be higher like everyone is saying
there whole group is in VAC right now not even caring about RAA itself, and half of their good members left with the RAA Patriots incident
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SynoanJoin Date: 2012-08-31
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what do you mean half our good members left rofl the people in patriots sucked n plat was good and hes just inactive |
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you lost immor too
a good chunk of your loyal member base packed up and left for wvfighter's group |
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TENSHlJoin Date: 2014-05-16
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we lost some good people but not half of them rofl
watch us destroy SC
RAA or Die |
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i fully support you against SC though
they need to die
and if you do beat them i take back everything i said |
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i cant understand any of your logic neder
you just seem so butthurt about this whole thing and are trying to make yourself feel better in whatever way you can
you doing all good irl right now?
we!!! we love!!! we love RAT!!! |
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FalkionJoin Date: 2013-04-29
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@crimsonpacts,
ahh, your parents never enrolled you to school? sucks man >:/ |
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