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Is it their purported flawless record?
Is it their mysterious leader?
Is it their theme?
Is it their age?
What among these things makes them worthy of respect and attention? What attributes do they have that are so exemplary as to warrant the extreme honor and hatred they are met with?
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HeadmikiJoin Date: 2011-02-20
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How does a mysterious leader and an old age cause such a high degree of veneration and animosity?
~Virgil~ |
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The significance of VAK is that they are the clan that is most responsible for advancing/progressing the clan attitude of "doing anything to win." This clan attitude has taken a hold of clans and everyday continues to disrupt and kill clans.
Not only did they progress the clan attitude the most during the TGI/VAK war, but every war after that VAK has continuously shown that they did not wish to reverse their actions but only further advance this ideology. |
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How can you measure this influence/progress, and is such an ideology prevalent throughout the clan world?
~Virgil~ |
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squidboi2Join Date: 2009-04-25
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@virgil
vak has gone 6 years without dying, all with the same leader.
its continuity is what make its venerable. |
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You must be brain dead if you think we're famous for 'cheating' in every war.
Ever just think, hmm, maybe the clans that wage war on VAK actually do some sketchy stuff so that they can be the first to officially beat VAK.
Everyone thinks we avoid wars, when we actually look for them. |
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SunXaoJoin Date: 2016-04-15
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Mainly the age and the leader. The theme is neither original as there is dozens of helghast clans and their flawless record is mostly made off dirty tactics. But what do I know I was never in the group but rumours go around them. |
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How is continuity in of itself venerable?
~Virgil~ |
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If VAK is so eager to participate in wars Anakin, why did they close their fort during the VOID war? If VAK is so eager for war, why have they stalled negotiations for a month?
~Virgil~ |
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squidboi2Join Date: 2009-04-25
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venerable- accorded a great deal of respect, especially because of age, wisdom, or character.
the age of the group, alongside the exceptionally long reign of the leader is worthy of respect because all other clans have gone through some other transition or been toppled by some other factor. |
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K_ievJoin Date: 2013-08-25
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Anakin so eager for war but not with FOA right?
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"Ever just think, hmm, maybe the clans that wage war on VAK actually do some sketchy stuff so that they can be the first to officially beat VAK."
No I don't because VAK is the one who cheats.
VAK runs away from good opponents to avoid losses. They did it twice to FC, VOID/VAK ended in a cease fire, and so did UAF.
You see a pattern there? No, of course not!
"Everyone thinks we avoid wars, when we actually look for them."
If you look for wars then you wouldn't have updated SMO right before FC/VAK negotiations to include orbital strikes and jet boots to use as "negotiation" chips to make our base really easy while keeping SMO status quo unfair. |
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UtsuroidoJoin Date: 2008-09-26
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vak was known to have an elitist attitude back in the day, which made them good and a hotspot for "elite soldiers" that is true.
once interpoliation started coming out they lost that advantage cause now everyone had the tools to become good without going to vak therefore they've constantly made updates to their forts to counter the fact that they're not a hotspot for the "elite".
in my opinion the fact that member quality doesnt improve over the years is not an excuse to make your fort increasingly harder.
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How is being the owner of a group for longer than anyone else venerable? And isn't ownership and leadership distinct from one another? You would know better than I; who leads VAK more, Vaktus or his generals?
~Virgil~ |
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Also, if you want to read about how this clan attitude is prevalent in clans and how it continues to affect them (And why some of this blame can be put onto VAK), refer to FullOfMeaning's post. |
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squidboi2Join Date: 2009-04-25
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the issue here is that vaktus IS vak. the generals handle the day to day operations but vaktus' near-mythic demeanor make him irreplaceable to the clan. as for how the length of ownership translates to how it's venerable, the definition of venerable is respect because of age. that is essentially what this is. respecting the length of time vaktus has owned the group. |
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heres something i wrote up in a private discussion with a vak(paste bin): SEdX1Me5
talks about clan theory & affect of vak |
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ANAKIN YOU TRY TO FIND WARS? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? EXPLAIN THIS
General Jarkev: And raiders *do* have the overall advantage at SMO
General Jarkev: Updates will need to be made to fix that - Ttom25rocks, General of Vaktovia
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If Vaktus is VAK, then what does that make everyone else in the group?
~Virgil~ |
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squidboi2Join Date: 2009-04-25
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@virgil
vaktovians. we come and go. we're replaceable. he's not. |
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TreeecowJoin Date: 2011-06-10
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"Ever just think, hmm, maybe the clans that wage war on VAK actually do some sketchy stuff so that they can be the first to officially beat VAK.
Everyone thinks we avoid wars, when we actually look for them."
Oh yeah man FoA totally did some sketchy stuff like having to redo our entire base just to ttom would accept.
Explain ONE sketchy thing we did in this FoA vs VAK war, Anakin. We wanted this war so bad but you clearly don't, stop saying that. If you wanted the war as bad as you say your negotiation team wouldn't be demanding updates to the defender side in 15v15 SMO WITH A 30 MINUTE TERMINAL. |
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Having an irreplaceable leader who has owned the group for a long time is worth veneration? Aren't there plenty of other longstanding leaders who are also irreplaceable?
~Virgil~ |
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