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▬Clan Community Council System▬
Let me start off by saying the only way this will work is if it’s community driven.
The point of this council is to be a source of third party intervention by agreement of two or more parties during a dispute. Though this is a source of settling things through a neutral source, I advise you to attempt your best to discuss things privately before requesting such a source of help. This help is also here to mediate during war negotiations. We ask that you request a mediator before hand if you find it necessary. This is specifically meant to be in place for the community during war and not during any other time. (can be changed)
All council members will be voted on by the community. The community will have the ability to attempt to join the council and will have the right to kick someone out. Although, council members can only be kicked out based on factual information. This council is a representation of the clan communities vote for people they believe are proper and neutral mediators for such a task.
Keep in mind that all decisions do not have to be enforced, but it must be noted that the decision will be the final explanation of the issue. We hope that parties of the issue will agree on it.
First, we will set the stage on who can vote.
Voting should be a right to everyone, but in order to avoid cheating, and to limit how many parties vote for a single candidate, a unique system will be in place. I would like to introduce a community group that will have an acceptance policy in it. Although, everyone within it can vote.
Acceptance into the group can be based on the age of the account, groups involved in, and if it's determined to be an alt or not. This is very subjective, and we can decide specifically who will be accepted on our own. Some sort of rank can be made for this too.
Within the group, it will be separated into two parts. There will be the “Clanners” rank, where you have to be accepted in order to join, and the Council rank. The council rank will range from 7 to 15 members depending on the number that is chosen.
Everyone will have free access to request help on settling a dispute.
All members within this group will be allowed to try to be voted into the council. They can form parties if needed, but once again, this council is only here to settle disputes from a predetermined third party consisting of rightfully elected officials.
▬Term length▬
Each council member will serve a term of 3 months, and if they want to stay in the council, they’ll have to be re-voted in every time there is an election process. (can be changed)
How voting will work:
Based on a predetermined election month, there will be 2 stages of the voting process for all seats on the council.
Stage 1: All members of the community have time to present their case stating why they should be voted into the council. This time period will extend for 1 to 2 weeks. They will then have 48 hours to have all their supporters within the group vote for them. We will then take the representatives with the most votes and reform the ballot showing the results of it to everyone else.
Stage 2: The representatives with the most votes from the previous campaign will then need to go through another week of campaigning. The highest voted representatives from Stage 2 will be chosen as the council members.
▬How to kick someone out of the council▬
With a petition of 50+ community members, we will hold a vote on the member being removed. All community members will be encouraged to participate.
If the person is removed, they will have their seat either filled through the voting process, or it will be empty until the next voting term.
▬How disputes will be decided▬
You can put in a request for discussion of a dispute. The request will have to be accepted before there is a discussion. Once the request is accepted, all proof of the dispute or arguments should be presented in order to make an informed opinion. Once given proper time to look over things, the council will discuss and vote. You must have 2/3 of the council to have the vote determined, and the council will keep voting until a decision is made or the dispute is settled.
Once again, I have to state this is only going to be empowered by the community and for the community. The enforcing of an opinion will never work, but having a third party who has value to the community might help settle disputes.
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Please tell me this is easy to read and such.
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Yes I guess basically. Besides like everything else that is in Nusa
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I'll give my input later.
I plan on going to bed so yeah, I'll give it a read when I find the time.
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i mean, that's why it's 'clan edition'. if it were everything else that nusa had then it'd be nusa |
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DawntineJoin Date: 2016-07-24
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I dislike this idea.
You cannot determine what an alt is and what an alt isn't, especially with clans people make new accounts all the time
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ZealotsJoin Date: 2011-04-28
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boss put me in council!!
~Grand Master: The king of all kings. (14,022+ posts)[08'er]
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Well that is why it can be determined at another point.
I have no clue what standards I would put to an account, besides 2 months of age.
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There's nothing wrong with the idea of settling disputes with a 3rd party input.
Fundamentally, this is not itself a solution. This is a band-aid and not a very strong one.
1st)
This idea relies on compliance. It depends on the clans with a dispute relying on a 3rd party.
Not only is that difficult to enforce or encourage, but don't you think it's a little far-fetched?
If clan leaders / clan high ranks have a dispute that they cannot settle themselves, in spite of being VERY capable of doing so, that must mean that the parties involved are irrational or at best very non-cooperative.
So this is trying to make non-cooperative and potentially irrational parties follow or consider the opinion of cooperative and potentially rational powers?
2nd)
The concept complicates and already over-complicated issue. All this will do is add more confusion, more extra steps, more pre-caution.
Instead of trying to reduce complications, it is more likely that clan leaders who do participate in this council system will try and use it to their benefit. No matter how you look at it, if you have a middle man involved, chances are one or all parties could try and bribe them. This sort of thing could be easily accomplished and easily missed, because the mission of the council would be to stop the dispute- no matter who it favors.
3rd)
This concept doesn't solve the actual problem. The issue at hand is that clans and clan leaders typically have petty or prideful motives in their negotiations (with respect to war terms / breaching of them).
Instead of trying to reconcile these poor motives or means of negotiation, this council system gives people an illusion of a solution. It makes people complacent instead of seeking legitimate answers to problems with their leaders. Even if this council could accomplish resolution of conflict, it would only amount to a band-aid if it ceases to attack the root of the problem. |
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I think the undertone or goal for the Council should be to adjust leaders into settling them on there own.
I won't be personally setting this up but this is what I think it would take to band aid such an issue.
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I'm not saying the goal is wrong.
But there's side-effects and fundamental issues that this worsens or doesn't address is what I'm saying.
If you really want to adjust leaders, make the goal to spread ideas of fearlessness and fighting for the sake of fun instead of JUST the win/loss ratio looking better for your clan. |
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DawntineJoin Date: 2016-07-24
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You know what clans are going to do when they dislike the Council?
Stop listening to it at all.
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Yeah.
I think I did that fine with my newsletter
https://forum.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=194458571
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That is why the council is completely ran by the community almost.
The decision making is made by the reps.
But you voted them into that spot.
And still have the right to remove them.
It's like the system works for you.
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Yeah but it just adds to it.
You're adding something extra.
You say it's neutral but things like that can easily change into something else.
Like blacklisting groups that don't cooperate or something.
And all this still doesn't end the actual disputes. It's just a third party opinion.
I mean at any rate we already have this in practice, just not under a single name.
Those negotiations and commentaries resulting of them are typically debated in public and private by the community.
So aside from centralizing the participants, it can potentially do more harm than good.
Why risk it when it's not really doing anything new? |
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I would never let someone just up and ban a whole community of clans. That is ludicrous and absurd idea.
I don't know about obtention but still.
The whole point of it is because, even though its debated no one really agrees unless you bring up A-Sov vs UAF and FEAR.
I mean that was pretty clear.
But something like Vak vs FoA with a mediator they could've cleared up the issues.
And I personally offered to help Shadow before and during the process he just didn't reply or didn't think it was needed.
Showing that it will be very uncommon for anyone actualy have to go to the third party.
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PrecianJoin Date: 2012-04-20
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Decent idea, i'll be running for sure.
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"Acceptance into the group can be based on the age of the account, groups involved in, and if it's determined to be an alt or not. This is very subjective, and we can decide specifically who will be accepted on our own. Some sort of rank can be made for this too."
Do I count as an alt? :) |
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Yes you do1!!!
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This is discrimination
I'm appointing myself to the clan court of robloxia (checks and balances man) and I'm filing a lawsuit
I won, since I'm the judge yknow |
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