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Because VAK members live in their own little world where they think their cheating is always justified. |
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"Yea thats why i kept saying believe what you believe"
don't recall you ever saying this until the very end (aka when you also referred to me as the "guy who types essays", which i did not take kindly to. i think we can both take blame with regards to being petty
"wait no they're not informed then what the hell are you even arguing they're the last i would ask for information about ........"
this is where your analogy is poor. you're inserting something there that is unnecessary, asking for information about something is irrelevant. however, if you want to use it, i said this:
you ask your doctor who participated in the surgery and a doctor who did not, compared to a doctor who was not in it and a medical assistant who was in it.
the patient is the person who doesn't know about the war whatsoever and was never a part of it
doctor outside is someone who knows/has information about the war but wasn't a part of it
med. assistant is someone who doesn't have information but was a part of it
doctor inside is someone who has information and was in it
the point is that you should base things off information, not off whether or not they were a part of it
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alright nerds here's the 411
starting off we were absolutely REAMING VAK at SMO and got like 15+ win lead so they got salty and updated SMO without notifying us (which was already established in the war terms to be prohibited mind you)
as time gone by we kept winning until SMO was so drastically modified from the version at the beginning of the war that most strategies that TGI had been using were nullified by the updates, while VAK was able to keep using theirs and also benefit from new strats that came with the advantages they kept giving themselves
we called them out on it but ofc they didn't care, we should have called the war off at that point but we were prideful and that was TGI's undoing
even then tober and i had a couple accounts on maelstrom and we gathered posts by vak nerds and officers saying not to defend, use VAC to defend, etc., you know, dirty tactics that were considered taboo in the clan world
i took it upon myself to show the clan world how toxic vak was as a whole, and how the war brought them down to the bottom of the barrel in morality, and that's how operation pinch happened
you thought vak was stubborn in foa-vak negotiations, think again. vak was hardly willing to go back on any of their changes and vaktus himself kept making excuses on why vacs should count as defenders at SMO, even when tober offered to make tag count at SHII
i myself regret supporting TGI make updates at SHII and do the stuff we did, as we ultimately became no better than VAK, we should have just called the whole charade off; the war basically became that scenario when you're playing chess with a pigeon but the pigeon can't even comprehend the rules of the game and just craps all over the gameboard when you try to reason with it.
castellian had absolutely no right to come in and say we lost btw. i understand he wanted to save his clan but he only damaged TGI's rep further and left it again to be handed down over and over until he euthanized it himself. vak will milk the thread over and over again to justify their BS but fail to remember that brickster left roblox to pursue his real life stuff like 2 weeks into the war.
scream endurance all you want but breaking war terms was an equal offense that resulted in loss/negotiations, and you ########### broke the rules so many times and beat around the bush like there was no tomorrow when you were called out on it. TGI has every right to back out of a lost cause, fighting a moot war with a group of internet edgelords so self-obsessed and convinced they could do no wrong they made a poisonous precedent that clans to this day follow, and it to this day hurts the community.
there you go. |
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"doctor"
I think they're trying to discuss HIPAA if anything
kind of a boring but necessary read if you're trying to get into healthcare
gist of it is you can't really talk about the person in an area that doesn't relate to work
listing procedures and results without adding any PII is fine
PII is a big part of that
only time I ever see a name is if I need to call someone otherwise they're just another result |
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vaktus himself kept making excuses on why vacs shouldn't* count as defenders at SMO |
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*listing
change that to discussing
not sure why one would list procedures and results |
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UtsuroidoJoin Date: 2008-09-26
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Are you saying that participating in something gives you no information of it?
what.
im sorry dude but people who participate in something i believe have more information (first source) than those who hear it from (second source)
at least that's what i'm assuming you're getting to.
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Aside from TGI/VAK, Vaktus told FC that our members could change the course of the war and perm banned FC from SMO in an attempt to bar some Raiders in both groups.
Just goes to show how much VAK actually cheats. |
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yeah nederlandz and raa and other clans that didn't like tgi had their members join vac en masse and no one batted an eye |
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@5ancu
"TGI didn't, Castellian did. Neutral party, wasn't even part of the war."
Castellian was your leader, period. Sure, he was not there the majority of the war, or during much of the war at all, but he was your *leader*, he called the shots. Toberdam was your leader during the entire war basically, so who if Tober thought the war should continue, why would he give it to Castellian? Tober gave up on the war by giving the group back to Castellian, his own little surrender.
"The war ended when arcaneclone issued orders of maximum 3 VAK being in servers at SMO, thus refusing to make servers official, effectively shutting down the fort##### ###pped defending your fort##### ###pped fighting. You lost."
Technically speaking, how is the ending the war when the servers are technically being defended? Now, I am not some huge supporter of technicalities in wars (because wars are meant to have fun), but when you honestly think about it, her orders had no real war term consequences (I don't remember the exact war terms). Now, allow me to explain Arcane's orders, as I was obviously in VAK and more informed (and you were not). Her orders were to ensure that some of the weaker defenders and new members would not try to join and make the server official with the little experience they had. They were to ensure a rally could be made of proper defenders who were up to par with the raiders who could then be deployed. Many clans rally specific elites when defending against harder opponents, Arcane only kept the war terms in mind to allow time for a rally to take place to gather the effective defenders.
"Pretty easily, you turned your fort into a firing range and still got beaten there, and eventually had to stop defending altogether. You stopped enduring. You lost."
Not sure what you mean by turning it into a firing range, but if you are talking about updates, I was not in charge of those. The updates that did occur, however, were in response to TGI's failure to uphold the war terms (as far as I remember). Why would we deliberately break war terms if the enemy was not? Furthermore, we did not stop defending, as I explained earlier, we did in fact defend, and we did not stop enduring. The fact that we continued to raid TGI until we were up in the what? 60's? 70's? in raid wins proved that we did not stop enduring (by the way, when we were doing this, TGI had no longer been raiding SMO and had completely given up, allowing us to pour entire force into raiding, gathering massive amounts of wins). We were not the ones to give up, TGI was. They gave up when they stopped raiding, stopped defending, and eventually officially gave up when they wrote a thread of surrender.
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"Why'd you randomly add two more examples on an analogy that was extremely simple for the issue at hand"
I don't know what 'two more examples' you're referring to. If you're referring to the people of which I included, they're the missing people in your analogy, because your analogy was incorrect.
"you literally overcomplicated it and twisted it for no apparent reason to make your argument look better than it was"
that's literally the purpose of an analogy and an argument. to make it better than the opponent's. you're implying something about it isn't accurate? if so, please state what.
"going back on the original topic however
would you ask a person who was informed and participated or would you ask a person who did not participate but is informed"
Listen, thank god for you finally acknowledging this. This is what I was waiting for. What you were saying is that you'd ignore opinions/arguments because they didn't participate (AKA you'd completely ignore those who did not participate but are informed). I can definitely agree that some of the time those who DID participate and ARE informed may have better information, but that doesn't mean ALL of the time, and disregarding arguments simply because they didn't participate is silly, because they may be informed. Of course they may have different information, but you have to decide which you agree with and support.
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5ancuJoin Date: 2015-12-31
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@Neder,
same with RFST[5] lol.
Anyone and anything that posed a threat to VAK. Why do you think '- Unity -' was established? VAK was afraid of CoS as well and would've banned all clans' members from their fort if it wasn't because TGI was part of CoS, lol. |
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UtsuroidoJoin Date: 2008-09-26
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Ok bro, nice twisting words for no apparent reason guess people do not lack common sense anymore and I have to specify everything now a days.
literally i give up
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@yuuri
let me tier this for you so you can better understand what i'm saying.
people to refer to on your medical issue, ranked:
1. the doctor who was in surgery
2. the doctor who was not in your particular surgery but is educated on all the issues involved
3. the medical assistant who was part of your surgery but isn't fully educated and can't provide full advice
4. the patient who knows nothing about it and isn't a part of it
I'm stating you should compare the advice of the first two, NOT the first and the third, which would be the case if you only looked at arguments of people who participated. |
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ttom you are so completely and utterly delusional i almost feel bad for you you mouthbreathers broke the rules early in the war the war terms that vaktus and tober agreed upon stated if rules were broken negotiations were required or else the offending side would forfeit by default vak ## ##### refused to negotiate (you even do it now, what a surprise) and even CONTINUED breaking rules by default, VAK lost, but TGI messed up by not calling it off that came before the endurance crap you idiots keep reciting like mindless drones |
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@SlayerJones
Exactly. The people you listed at adding input to the discussion so they don't fall under the 5-star war general category I was referring to. But how does it make sense to call VAK "counter-productive". The thing about the war is that people like to blame VAK for all the bad things. Directly quoting from Castellians thread, "TGI had begun using questionable tactics. Leaving servers, avoiding defending, modifying the base, working towards group bans. TGI was losing the war in-game and thus resorted to using the war terms to pull a victory and using other tactics to avoid defeat". As a matter of fact, calling VAK to be counter-productive would mean that it provides ZERO benefit to the community as a whole even though its make Ro-Verse.
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frickin frick no spaces lmao |
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UtsuroidoJoin Date: 2008-09-26
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You can be the most educated doctor in the world
yet if you didn't participate in a specific surgery you'd still be left in the air if asked any question
if i understand what you're getting at you don't want me to compare the first two to the latter two
however even if i compare the first two examples my analogy still holds true because the person who actively participated on it would still get priority in the argument.
i specifically used medicine because it's not as simple as just "hurr durr" study for 7 years and you're good to go... it's more specific for every case.
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Seriously how can you be so oblivious Ttom?
For anyone that is unaware, this is the exact same thing Ttom did on C&G during the ELwar after VAK updated their base without permission. VAK updated the defender count without permission from EL mid-war and Ttom tried saying it was never updated and stuff.
Just like he lied on that thread to try to preserve VAK's image, he lies here. There is literally proof of of VAK's officer forums and HRs saying to flood with VACs in an attempt to not make servers official, and yet he tries to twist it once again.
And the fact you are claiming that base ûpdates were made in "retaliation" is pathetic considering they were made because VAK was getting whooped, not because TGI was "breaking war terms." |
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tgi refused to fight vaktovia and attempted to hide behind an autowin no matter WHAT the reasoning was
by "endurance" VAK won this has been established
VAK had a 30+ raid win lead toward the end of the war
vak won the war
tgi just tried to play by the books |
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