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"but people like to put 100 restrictions on how wars are done like closing recruitment and not using allies so idk."
There is a difference between warring a group, and having people join as individuals, and having people join as a group.
If the individuals join, that is to be expected.
If a group joins, the identity of the war is no longer X vs Y, it has become X vs YZ.
If JC wars TRA, they want to fight TRA. Imagine now if RAT, ASOV, AC all get involved and the war is now in essence JC vs TRA, RAT, ASOV, AC. This should not be the case without express agreement from both sides. This is something that could have been arranged, but would rather be done underhandedly without any sort of discussion. |
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"So a weak powerclan favored by C&G could war somebody like A-SOV, have everyone who hates A-SOV join the group, and be totally carried by those C&Gers; is that okay?"
maybe it would motivate you to make your group less toxic and people might actually like you for a change |
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not being able to accept losing would be doing things like trying to close recruitment or stop/limit involvement of friends and allies, not having them join. clans have always done this and it wasn't nearly as big of a deal as people make it to be now. if a bunch of asov haters join a weak powerclan and that's enough to beat asov, that's on asov.
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"1. a clan shouldn't need permission to recruit friends or allies"
There is a difference between warring a group, and having people join as individuals, and having people join as a group.
If the individuals join, that is to be expected.
If a group joins, the identity of the war is no longer X vs Y, it has become X vs YZ. [2]
"2. a 1v2 shouldn't be considered bad either, nor should a 1v3-10"
Why?
"3. the point of a war is to defeat the enemy clan, show off your power. friends/allies are included in this. even if it's a neutral group helping because they dislike the other group, that creates new allies."
No, they are not. It is to defeat to the enemy clan. Friends and allies are not included in this because it encourages big-brother behaviours where exclusive and toxic power clans are encouraged and approved by communities. |
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LimitexJoin Date: 2013-06-21
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"If JC wars TRA, they want to fight TRA. Imagine now if RAT, ASOV, AC all get involved and the war is now in essence JC vs TRA, RAT, ASOV, AC. This should not be the case without express agreement from both sides. This is something that could have been arranged, but would rather be done underhandedly without any sort of discussion."
do you have no idea about the types of wars JC fought? LOL
also not gonna respond to every point because it mostly comes back to this: "why should a war against X turn into a war against XYZ?"
i already said, if enough of a single clan joins to fight your group, you should just war that clan. you're already fighting them so you should actually target them. instead people usually just cancel the war lol. |
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MackMockJoin Date: 2014-10-21
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It's going to end without a victor like most current wars but I'm on SC's side anyway
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"It's ridiculous if a clan has to consider how many C&Ger bandwagoners will join a group if they try to have a fun war with them and may have to avoid certain targets in fear of that war being a toxic cesspool due to the influx of C&G influence."
you should expect all of them, like any war you fight to win regardless of who is on the enemy side. anything should be expected.
"The clans, excluding clan C, all dislike Clan A because they lost a war. They want to make up for it so they join Clan G, who Clan A is warring. That's in essence Clan A vs Clan B, D, E, F, and G. Is that fair in any way and does that make Clan A weak?"
does it make clan a weak? no. does it make them the loser? yes. if a clan loses to the bigger badder alliance, then they lost. all that matters is they fought, which clans too often these days don't. |
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"do you have no idea about the types of wars JC fought? LOL"
No, tell me about them.
"also not gonna respond to every point because it mostly comes back to this: "why should a war against X turn into a war against XYZ?""
Thank you! :)
"i already said, if enough of a single clan joins to fight your group, you should just war that clan. you're already fighting them so you should actually target them. instead people usually just cancel the war lol."
If I declare war on clan Y, I want to and expect to fight clan Y. Not YZ. Not YZA. Not YZAB. Y. If Y wants to add Z, A, B, they can do so non-unilaterally with transparent discussion.
I will promise you that this sort of behaviour will result in there being *NO* wars in 2017 if this is the tone we're setting. Why would anyone want to go to war if their war is just going to be intervened with unilaterally? |
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PoIoniumJoin Date: 2010-12-01
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Ugh lol Those Rat Kids Are Done for Easy War Incoming With The Hidden Water Path And Foa/C9 Carrying Us Time For Rat To Lose Another War |
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i understand the concept fine because it's basically jc's history 2011 and beyond. you're also ignoring any possibility of clan A getting help from others too, which is how alliance and rowars are fought... which often happen to be some of the best times on roblox clans o_o |
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"i understand the concept fine because it's basically jc's history 2011 and beyond."
Then explain
"you're also ignoring any possibility of clan A getting help from others too, which is how alliance and rowars are fought..."
Clan A wants to fight Clan B, hence why they declared war. Not AC fighting B, or AC fighting BD.
"which often happen to be some of the best times on roblox clans o_o"
Your subjective experience of the 'best times on roblox clans' does not constitute fact. |
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"But there is no alliance. It's just everyone that dislikes that clan making a 1v3/4/5 instead of the agreed-upon 1v1."
which is why allies should be allowed and expected, and also count as defenders in clan forts.
also noticing the "i keep fighting this clan again!"
what is a rivalry? is it a one and done deal? no, it's an enemy that keeps coming back. beating a clan once doesn't really prove squat lol.
if you want an example of a jc war, it's beating rsf and tra in the summer and also doing pretty good for a while (not gonna name every war) and then starting a group to advertise small clans and put them in the spotlight only to get warred by an rsf-tra backed coalition of almost every major clan on roblox because they see you as a threat. lol |
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"A clan that's committed foul play in its last two wars has no right to call A-SOV toxic."
what lol |
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"Then explain"
there was the rat-fear vs jc war, rat warred jc and jc was winning then rat dropped out for like 3 days because we flamed them and warred us again with fear (2v1 war). this was our first war after we were inactive.
then there's this war which basically started the jc hate train:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2tHFS08oxE&list=PLHftkJ4aQXmUu3rydWE4ILh7XIoLcQEQF
^ declaring war on your enemies because they band together to talk trash and are constantly attacking you
thats what a war should look like.
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