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LordEvo but for the wrong reasons.
8v12 at any base is better for raiders due to the decreased amount of defenders. A 10v15 is harder for raiders than a 8v12. If SF switched to 10v15 VAK would never win, ever.
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"Andrew is not reputable source."
So you are discrediting your own comrade? Who is a credible source in your opinion then?
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It's hypocritical for clans to get mad at VAK, but you do the same thing to your bases and no one says a peep. |
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For once in my time I will defend SF for only this part, you blame SF LordEv for lag switching, but if you kicked those randoms in the first place, this wouldn't of apparently happened. As you always ask to get randoms kicked from your raids, you are being a hypocrite. |
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"It's hypocritical for clans to get mad at VAK, but you do the same thing to your bases and no one says a peep."
Thing is VAK did it every time FoA won a raid. After every raid we won there was a change, EVEN in a 15v15 VAK updated the base.
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"For once in my time I will defend SF for only this part, you blame SF LordEv for lag switching, but if you kicked those randoms in the first place, this wouldn't of apparently happened. As you always ask to get randoms kicked from your raids, you are being a hypocrite."
Even a person who absolutely DESPISES Paul agrees with our argument. Proof of how redundant this discussion really is.
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@Mohxy,
No, infact, there's a "sweet spot" to the number of raiders versus defenders! Especially if you want to have a base that comes off as at least a bit fair, yet still challenging.
Allow me to lecture:
A base should be objectively challenging to fight at. There shouldn't be too many raiders, but there shouldn't be too many defenders. In the most troubling of times, even the best fighters can be overwhelmed by the worst of fighters given that they have enough numbers, we've all seen this happen.
Having too little an amount of defenders can make a base too easy to raid, yet, having too great an amount of defenders can make it too hard to raid. This is where that 2/3rds ratio comes in, only, the 2/3rds ratio has a bit of wiggle room.
Given the right mix, at the right base, it can be a 10v15, or an 8v12. But wiggle room can also allow people to win or lose at a 15v15 or an 8v14, for both sides respectively.
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I don't believe we made any changes when FoA raided us? |
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@HateHouse
I told them that if they had voiced their need to kick a random, we would do it if we're able to, but it seems that they decided not to, and that's on their part. They can send one person out literally spamming "KICK ____" and we can get someone to do it. I'd tell you that you could've done the same when you had your problems in VAK, but you decided not to voice them correctly, so, I really don't see the point in me replying to you anyways.
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''I don't believe we made any changes when FoA raided us?''
OH NO
HE DIDNT JUST SAY THAT
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"Given the right mix, at the right base, it can be a 10v15, or an 8v12. But wiggle room can also allow people to win or lose at a 15v15 or an 8v14, for both sides respectively."
A 15v15 will never be considered a test to find the "perfect ratio" of raiders to defenders. That is just a stupid proposition. A 8v14 can not be compared to a 15v15 either, it is EXTREMELY raiders sided, as is a 8v12. You agreed yourself a 8v12 is raiders sided, guess guess how much more raider sided a 8v14 would be.
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"I don't believe we made any changes when FoA raided us?"
Ya I'm out
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Lordevo VAK doesn't like kicking randoms for us for some reason. We do it freely for VAK at SH2 so they don't have to server hop. |
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"I told them that if they had voiced their need to kick a random, we would do it if we're able to, but it seems that they decided not to, and that's on their part. They can send one person out literally spamming "KICK ____" and we can get someone to do it. I'd tell you that you could've done the same when you had your problems in VAK, but you decided not to voice them correctly, so, I really don't see the point in me replying to you anyways."
Ttom has denied us the right to kick randoms almost 90% of the time we raid. I ask him on steam so often and yet he simply ignores it. There has not been one instance where VAK has immediately kicked a random on our request.
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Aviation, you tried to disprove what I said, but you're not taking into account the fact that I said "the right mix at the right base." This is exactly what wiggle room is. By right mix, I mean the right gunfighters, and by the right base, I mean a base that is abusable in the legitimate eyes of the beholder.
A 15v15 shouldn't be considered a test, but neither should an 8v12. Or an 8v14. There will never be a singular standard for the best defender to raider ratio. That's why it doesn't simply doesn't matter. It's useless and is only respective to one side, and that's the amount of defenders.
I didn't say an 8v12 would be raiders sided. I did say however, if there's too many raiders and too little defenders, it's obvious who will win.
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I voiced by problems many times directly to the Generals LordEv, I have a VAK alt with 0 records on it, just understand that I am always watching. |
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Technically we could put SMO 15 vs 15 as 1 vs 1, but that wouldn't be fair for raiders at all. |
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@LordEvo
"Agreed, Aviation! There's less defenders for the raiders to go against!
Finally, someone agrees with me!"
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If General Jarkev is denying you all kicking of random raiders, then the only thing I can tell you all is to do your best to get a server that doesn't have a random raider in it. And with that being said, if there are random raiders, then you should have 1 left over to make a new server without that random raider.
If you let General Jarkev know that you're making a new server to not have that random raider in there, then he should be lenient enough to defend the new server.
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"If General Jarkev is denying you all kicking of random raiders, then the only thing I can tell you all is to do your best to get a server that doesn't have a random raider in it. And with that being said, if there are random raiders, then you should have 1 left over to make a new server without that random raider."
Don't call us out on serverhopping then??
"If you let General Jarkev know that you're making a new server to not have that random raider in there, then he should be lenient enough to defend the new server."
Ya he's lenient enough to make us wait for 20+ minutes every time.
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Lord, when they sever hop, you have people like UNCOVER say "Nope don't go to that sever, we are staying here" and he said it the other day and I recorded it LOL. |
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@HateHouse
Look man, a VAK account is a VAK account, but, if you really knew anything about how VAK works, you'd know that the lowranks aren't told anything until it's literally happening right at the second, VACs certainly aren't told anything, and well, officers, I won't try to disclose what bit of info they get.
Your alts in VAK (if there are any) don't really phase me, if anything, I just see alts as free activity nowadays, both in VAC and in the Main Empire.
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"And with that being said, if there are random raiders, then you should have 1 left over to make a new server without that random raider. "
VAK takes forever to defend and if we serverhopped immediately VAK complains....?
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