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Take the United States for example.
We have a GDP per capita of 57,294$.
Meaning United States as a whole is performing poorly even if it has a large production. The reason for this is it is made up of many states that all perform differently. States like Califorina have low performance and simply produce a lot because of their large population.
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SLPMJoin Date: 2010-04-02
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When discussing which states are valuable to our country I'd consider the efficient states the most valuable ones.
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Funny how liberals saying to remove electoral college after trump lost, what happened when obama won huh XD |
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"Funny how liberals saying to remove electoral college after trump lost, what happened when obama won huh XD"
Trump was asking to remove the electoral college a week before he was elected. |
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^ Exacly, whomever looses oe thinks they are gonna loose are gonna want the electoral college replaced in favor of the popular vote, literally trump though hed win the popular not electoral he didn't expect vice versa to happen. |
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SLPMJoin Date: 2010-04-02
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Both sides were contradicting themselves. When Trump said that if he loses it was rigged and that the system is dumb Hillary was for the system. They did a flip flop when it was clear Trump had won.
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The Electoral College favors Republicans, it gives more voting power to less dense rural areas.
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^ All due respect the electoral college favors the swing states not reoublicans, and of course it gives more power to rural areas rural areas make up the majority of the US. cities can't control everything. |
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^ All due respect the electoral college favors the swing states not reoublicans, and of course it gives more power to rural areas rural areas make up the majority of the US. cities can't control everything.
So you just admitted the electoral college favors republicans in rural areas.
"cities can't control everything" Cities don't control everything, all a popular vote means is that everybody votes counts for one, and whoever has the most votes wins, like how real democracy should work. |
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^ Were a represenative democracy not a true democracy, second off it gives rural areas more power so they have some say, and kid shut up if hillary won you wouldn't be questioning the authority of the electoral colleg |
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888min3Join Date: 2008-07-19
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I like how Democrats love the electoral college when their candidate wins but when a republican wins they cry about it being unfair.
Gold.
I'm 888min3/888min2. Colonel of the Vaktovian Empire. |
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"^ Were a represenative democracy not a true democracy, second off it gives rural areas more power so they have some say, and kid shut up if hillary won you wouldn't be questioning the authority of the electoral college"
I never said we are a true democracy, but we are a form of democracy, liberal and representative.
Representative democracy means that citizens are proportionally represented based on how many citizens they are. A popular vote would demonstrate this because its a simple winner take all system where each persons vote counts for one. Not this assymetrical oligarchic system which lets a few rural states control the electoral progress.
"second off it gives rural areas more power"
We are a representative democracy, not an asymmetrical oligarchy. Why should rural states get extra powers in the form of electoral votes stolen from bigger states? Democracy means rule of the majority, so why are supporting an oligarchic system where the minority disrupt the majority.
"and kid shut up if hillary won you wouldn't be questioning the authority of the electoral college""
This is where you are wrong, I have been advocating for a popular vote system ever since I got interested in politics, which began during Obama's first campaign run. |
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@888min3
I love how Republicans complain about Democrats being 'welfare queens' when the top 8 states that get federal aid are republican states.
Silly republicans always wanting handouts. You guys need a form of electoral welfare, in the form of the electoral college where smaller almost unpopulated states get to steal electoral votes from more populus states so they can get 3 electoral votes. |
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^ Your not understanding what I am saying, if everything is done by popular vote the cities control everything, how is that fair???? I am not saying the rural areas should have more power than cities I am saying that without the electoral college it would make rurual areas completely irrelevant to campaigns and cause millions of voices to be unheard. |
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So are you saying a popular vote is unfair because the winner will control everything?
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"I like how Democrats love the electoral college when their candidate wins but when a republican wins they cry about it being unfair."
The electoral college favors republican voters just because they live in rural areas.
Of course we will complain, a popular vote will represent the majority of the population.
You seem you believe that plots of land are more entitled to votes then people.
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Its fair because it is representative democracy.
The purpose of democracy is that majority rules, it makes sense since urban areas contribute the most to the US economy GDP, employment, innovation, and all around progress of the country. Virtually every other liberal democracy accepts this same model.
And according to the FiveThirtyEight article (called 'How Suburban are big American cities?' which I cannot link cause ROBLOX will block it), 26% of Americans describe where they live as urban, 53 percent said suburban, and 21 percent rural.
So to answer your question big cities won't rule the popular vote. The Suburban area between cities and the country-side will. And it makes sense that the area with the most densely populated of the US demographics gets more representation (in the form of 1 person = 1 vote) than rural areas. |
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"rural areas completely irrelevant to campaigns and cause millions of voices to be unheard."
Most rural areas are already irrelevant, the electoral college does nothing to fix that.
"Two-thirds (273 of 399) of the general-election campaign events in the 2016 presidential race were in just 6 states (Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Virginia, and Michigan)."
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We are not a liberal democracy are you dumb, we are a represenative democracy and if we are doing this based off ideologies the US is a conservative democracy since republicans control congress and the eecutive branch. WE ARE NOT BASED OFF MAJORITY RULE THAT IS WHY WE ARE A REPRESENATIVE DEMOCRACY STOP CRYING THAT HILLARY LOST THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE IS AROUND FOR A REASON! |
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"THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE IS AROUND FOR A REASON!"
Very sound argument, well done.
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^ cities are such a small area of our country, the fact is the electoral college ensures that cities don't run the election every cycle and it gives them a voice!
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The population is voting, not the square arces.
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the electoral college doesnt favor any party, it's been around well before parties existed in america
the only thing it does is force candidates to travel across the country to different states, cultures, peoples, etc. swing states aren't even a downside of the electoral college simply because each swing state represents the tight battle over specific issues of the country, but only on a particular spectrum.
donald trump knew this, and played into it. that's why he won 82% of the counties in america compared to bush's 78% in the 2000 election. he also flipped 217 counties that had voted democrat in the 2012 election.
the electoral college serves the exact same purpose as the new jersey plan - to hand power to states. small states, in particular. anyone arguing to abolish the electoral college over its principles and foundations is arguing against the principles and foundations of the senate.
another thing - without the electoral college, america's stable 2 party system would be largely at risk from splinter parties and 3rd parties. those splinter parties have been a serious problem in europe, and it's best we avoid that. |
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