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It's not an infinite universe, it's still finite. However, it's entirely possible for life to emerge on other planets across the Universe, especially when you consider that life doesn't necessarily have to be carbon-based.
Life arises under entropically favored conditions where there's enough energy to get the process moving. In environments where it isn't favorable, the reactions don't proceed and life doesn't come about.
Earth is an example of a planet with conditions well suited to carbon-based life. There's no reason to assume that it's alone in this regard. |
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Is there proof that the universe is finite? I've never heard that one.
Anyways, I still don't see how the Earth could just "happen" to meet all those conditions. The atmosphere perfectly suitable for carbon-based life, all this ocean water coming from oxygen and hydrogen randomly coming together from the lifeless void of space?!
I don't see how that could happen lol |
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Wolves and whales never evolved from one another, but both evolved from a common ancestor.
Speciation isn't an exact science. You don't have one species of bird one day and then another the next, it is generational change that eventually leads to a radically different phenotype and genotype distinct from the parent species. This is how a new species is born.
You can look into the speciation of birds in archipelagos for an observed example of these types of changes. |
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Yeah, it's not an exact science. Therefore, it isn't a good way to argue against the existence of god. |
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1. To the OP: Most people on ROBLOX aren't interested in having proper discussions on whether or not God exists and the following implications. You're better off spending your time talking to someone you know IRL who would actually listen. Also, if you're conversely not willing to listen to the opposing viewpoints, you aren't going to make any headway (and this coming from a Chrstian, by the way).
2. To anyone else who asserts that there's "no evidence", I'll say one thing: ask yourself what "evidence" means. This community likes to cite things like screenshots, pictures, or videos as proof, but that's not the case. From Google, "the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid." i.e. You can find much reason to believe in God but you will never find a picture of Him.
3. If you are interested in further research and intellectual thought on the matter, look into Thomas Aquinas' Five Ways (just do a quick search). If you're sufficiently literate, try C.S. Lewis' books.
4. As a final note, I respect an atheistic/agnostic viewpoint of the universe. I do not think it's right, but the people who have done research in their various outlooks on life aren't stupid. To assume that atheists haven't done any consideration of their own is frankly really disrespectful.
I'm not going to answer any replies to this post since a forum on a kids' game doesn't seem to be a proper place for this. Send me a PM if you'd actually like to have a good talk. |
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If the universe had infinite mass, it would take up an infinite amount of space. There's a pretty well-known vacuum (no mass) between the Earth and Moon, so it's quite clear that the universe doesn't have infinite mass.
As for volume, the universe is expanding. If the universe were infinitely large, it wouldn't have anywhere to expand to. Therefore the universe isn't infinitely large.
As for your comments about "you can't see how it happened", the wonderful thing about science is that it doesn't need to make sense to you. It's under no obligation to sound comforting to you or be at a level you understand. The origin of life was a thermodynamic necessity. |
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flybombJoin Date: 2010-05-14
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I like CS Lewis |
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@False
You're very literate from my understanding, it might not be a bad idea to read a few of CS Lewis' books.
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Good point Gears, I suppose my posting of this controversial topic is disrespectful to others. I can't expect people on this subforum to listen. And yeah, I guess I wasn't listening to their arguments very well myself.
However, I still get the urge to continue arguing about this topic for some odd reason. |
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ayemap123Join Date: 2011-08-08
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if god isnt real then explain why
earth is in the right place where the sun doesnt burn it
earth is just in the right place where it doesnt freeze up and die
earth has enough magnetic field to protect from solar flares
earth has just the amount of oxygen needed for life
and the list goes on
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Simply to see the perspective of the other side.
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Bryce200Join Date: 2008-04-06
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Classic C&G talking about about god.
~Never forget Allocated's Pharmacy |
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I haven't read CS Lewis, but I have read quite a bit of theology in my time at university. I've studied Aquinas, Augustine, Ambrose, Bernard of Clairvaux, Abelard, and others. Their arguments, though eloquent, haven't convinced me of the existence of the Christian God on the basis of logic.
That's why I don't believe, I have no reason to. |
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Falsewarrior, "The first law, also known as Law of Conservation of Energy, states that energy cannot be created or destroyed in an isolated system"
According to you, the universe is an isolated system. That law applies to thermodynamics, therefore disproving the big bang...? |
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Not at all, NekoMessiah. Most people here know I'm a chemist, what they don't know is that I specifically study thermodynamics and the flow of energy.
A Big Bang doesn't violate the rules of thermodynamics because it's creating neither matter nor energy. It's a spontaneous expansion of matter and energy. |
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So then how did the matter and energy just appear? How did the universe appear?!
Once again, there's no evidence disproving God is real. I accept there currently isn't a way to prove God exists though. It comes down to faith at the end of the day. |
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Bryce200Join Date: 2008-04-06
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You guys do know that science and religion explain two deferent things. Its kind of a straw man to assume people think one explains the other.
~Never forget Allocated's Pharmacy |
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Bryce, science and religion often coincide actually. God allowed science as "temptation" to draw unfaithful people into the trap of Atheism and Agnosticism. Temptation is a bad word for it, but I don't really know all that much about science and religion considering I'm 15 lmao |
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That's the thing. According to our current laws, the matter and energy must have always existed. |
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cubiedJoin Date: 2013-07-07
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does it honestly matter? |
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~2.2 billion human beings believe in God, who gave his only son to die on the cross for our sins. Give us life, free will, etc.
By the way, I believe I found some evidence at one point which suggests a human named Jesus was born from a woman named Mary in a manger, (not sure about Joseph, since he technically wasn't Jesus' biological father). Apparently footprints were also found near where Jesus lived during childhood. |
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Bryce200Join Date: 2008-04-06
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Religion explains how people should act in the world. Science explains what things are. The Bible for example is a book full of literary heroes and stories that teach you complex moral lessons. Wether you believe the story actually happened doesn't matter its the moral of the story that counts. And to say the Bible explains science isn't true because most religions were formed way before science was really a thing. Same goes for saying science is the only truth, its just as bad.
~Never forget Allocated's Pharmacy |
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A lot of people have lived in that location before and since. |
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Not if you're a Christian and believe dinosaurs weren't gobbling up good ol' h0m0 erectus |
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Bryce200Join Date: 2008-04-06
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Falsewarrior was I on your friend's list once?
~Never forget Allocated's Pharmacy |
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