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so many threads have been made worrying about vak cheating in an endurance war, yet Sf 17.0 also has a past of cheating. you may claim that Sf 17.0 is different than any other past version of Sf, yet its the same leadership and memberbase. wow!
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FC/SF (Late 2013):
- SF had an aimbot in the base (Check here for proof, refer to page 2 for Paul's name in the script: www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=154295898
- They warred us with a broken base, which was then fixed. After the fix, it apparently broke again when no updates were supposed to be going on (They broke their own fort)
- SF had a script which gave free snipers to some of their members
- SF changed the price of the sniper VIP without the permission of FC (I believe the price was 10,000 Robux for the gamepass) - Keep in mind that we had to pay for these 1 shot KO snipers while their members got it for free and from past/cheaper gamepasses
- Multiple AA cases
- InstantImpact/Keepitloose/Desolade/Mohxy (SF member) resorted to sword glitching because he couldn't get past our defenses fairly. He also used other forms of admin.
- SF admin (Covertus) told the SF to abandon our server to not make it official
- Here is an album of some of the stuff they pulled during the war: a/TiDLE
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SF's Stronghold base unfariness (Back when they originally used this I had a lot more information, this is just going off of memory. An example of this would the time from SF spawn to term and the Raider spawn to term, I believe it was somewhere near x2 time for Raiders):
- Offered 6 entrances into the base (Past first gate) - This allows for SF to flank very easily, forces the Raiders to separate a lot
- High defender count in a small server (8 SF in an 18 or 20 player server I want to say, might be mixing it up with Stone Bridge. If these numbers aren't exact, keep in mind that it was still a high defender count in a small server)
- Extremely unfair spawns - SF spawned a lot closer and had their own entrance between the cliffs
- After taking 1 of the 6 entrances into the base, they can choose from 5 entrances into the term building (Again, allows for SF to flank very easily and forces the Raiders to separate a lot) - Keep in mind that Raiders really don't have that many people compared to SF (Not a good ratio of defenders to raiders), meaning its hard to cover all these entrances
- High damage guns/0 spread/hire fire rate - When the server became official and everyone was respawned, SF would be able to get ontop of the gate before we could get to our entrance. They are able to easily pick off our attackers
- The high damage/0 spread/high fire rate also gives SF the advantage when compared to the spawns. When they kill someone, they could raid the terminal 2-3 times before that person could even get back to their spot.
- High terminal timer (20 minutes, might be 25)
Accounts of cheating:
- Multiple clans (Even VAK) had spoke of the fishiness of the base. Most of these complaints were towards certain SF members not dying as they should (VOID, I believe ISO, was even given admin and had to keep healthing all to 100 to make sure this didn't occur during one raid)
- I personally shot Paul (Who was sitting ontop of the large rock across the Raider spawn as if he was in Lion King) 28 times before he killed me. I then respawned and continued to shoot him for another 17 times, and he still didn't die. I forget the exact stats of damage and such, however it was clear that the "lag" that some SF members mentioned would not have been able to take that much damage
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FC/SF War (This was at the time that SF switched to their Stone Bridge fort, very unfair):
- SF declared war on FC for a 3rd time. They are using an extremely unfair fort (More unfair than their stronghold, I'll get into the specifics of this fort after the details of these negotiations).
- SF says the base was made for VOID, RAA (Ally of SF) then declares war on VOID while VOID's active fort was Labs (RAA didn't even know what fort they declared war on, lol) - It was clear that SF didn't really want to war FC, but they wanted to get to VOID instead (Who was ally)
- 2v2 negotiations began and SF/RAA were very difficult to work with. FC attempted to branch off and do a 1v1 war with RAA (Who was talking smack about FC previously), however Sas pretty much refused to negotiate. I thought we were getting somewhere after about 2 hours of talk, however once we got somewhere he came out with more demands)
- FC then talks with SF separately about a 1v1 war (Keep in mind that the 2v2 wasn't really working). SF attempted to pull a VAK and negotiate things out of our pretty fair fort with some of their really unfair things, however they neglected the fact that even without those things the base was still really unfair)
- Both parties disperse and no war occurs (SF has now backed out for a 2nd time)
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SF's Stone Bridge base unfairness (Keep in mind, like their Stronghold, I don't have the specifics as I'm doing this off of memory. They are somewhere in the forums):
- Extremely unfair spawn distances (I believe x3 distance for Raiders)
- Only one entrance into their part of the base (Was across a very long bridge with 0 cover. SF conveniently had cover at the end of it to kill us from across the bridge)
- High damage/0 spread/high fire rate guns which allowed SF to mow us down from their end of the bridge (Keep in mind there was no cover). This is similar to Stronghold, and if they kill a Raider defending the term it allows them to raid 2-3 more times before that Raider can get back)
- 7 entrances into the term (Might be 8) - Allows for SF to easily flank
- High defender count with a smaller server size with a 2 Commando rule (This was unnecessary considering they were an exclusive power clan and didn't need to worry about alts. They argued that FC didn't need it, however there were already instances from past SF raiding where they used alts to make the server official)
- High term timer with a bomb system (Keep in mind you had to get the bomb across that very long bridge)
- Probably some other stuff I'm forgetting but oh well
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SF/SC war:
- SF used a base built by Dignatio (Main leader of the clan that beat them, Frost Clan). The base was too fair for SF, so they made changes to it, including access to the cliffs for SF and a teleporter above their spawn which brought them across the map (Which no one knew about, including SC)
- SF gave themselves access to the cliffs while the Raiders could not get up. Match this cliff access with high damage/0 spread/high fire rate guns and it's very unfair for the Raiders, especially since a lot of the cover at term is used for people coming towards the terminal normally, not from people sitting behind them on the cliffs
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TL;DR = Sf 17.0 is no different than its past versions. It is under the same leadership and with the same memberbase. So many threads recently are being made about VAK cheating in a war with Sf 17.0 (Which I am not saying they won't), yet you seem to forget that Sf 17.0 has done just as bad with their record.
Has VAK ever had aimbots, extra health, and free 1 shot snipers for their members while charging 10,000 Robux to the enemies in war?
Both clans cheat, so stop acting as if Sf 17.0 is somehow different than VAK. |
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@intense
its a capital S and a lowercase f. Warning 1. |
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888min3Join Date: 2008-07-19
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At least we can see eye to eye on SF 17.0 Neder. |
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*sighs*
88, its Sf 17.0
Capital S, lowercase f. Warning 1. |
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sF seventeen point zero
The citizen speaks of opportunity, the bureaucrat speaks of authority, and the diplomat speaks of policy. The soldier does not speak, the soldier acts, and that is why it is the soldier who wins the war. |
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theNBKJoin Date: 2015-06-17
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Any proof of CSP, and not SF, cheating in the past year? I didn't think so. |
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"Any proof of CSP, and not SF, cheating in the past year? I didn't think so."
I just showed it. You and your goons hopping between different clan names doesn't make you any different than what you originally were. SF, TM, CSP, and about 4 other names that you all tried; there is no difference. |
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LordVydrak contributed more to clans than you did, irrelevant swine. |
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BeebartJoin Date: 2013-06-02
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@NBK
:ban bodyceps |
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theNBKJoin Date: 2015-06-17
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I don't believe any of these clans cheated while I was in them. Maybe they cheated in the past before I joined CSP and was a Captain in CSP? But ever since I began working with Paul and Mohxy, no foul play or fishy actions have ever occurred. |
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Question: Do you respect LordVydrak as a clanner?
Results:
No - 164 votes - 76%
Yes - 52 votes - 24% |
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Same leadership, same memberbase, same clan attitude.
There is no difference, Sf 17.0 |
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@Nov
I criticize any clan that progresses the clan attitude of "doing anything to win." |
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WannaBetJoin Date: 2011-01-01
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lordvydrak didn't contribute anything to clans and him and the bonez gang are failures at gathering any following |
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uM wB VyDrAk hAD 52 VoTes MEAniNG hE hAs sOme SupOrT, u lIAr |
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HateHouseJoin Date: 2013-08-27
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too much hurts eyes |
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SunXaoJoin Date: 2016-04-15
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"Same leadership, same memberbase, same clan attitude"
> nbk is quite new so ur point is invalid
> ur always complaining and stubborn about everything so having an argument with u is impossible.
And ur referencing a war 4 years ago which is like holding a grudge to your friend because he spilled ur capri-sun when u were both 8. |
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"LordVydrak contributed more to clans than you did, irrelevant swine."
vydrak needs alts to defend himself
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