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"Raheem fails to quote or cite me, he yet again parades around with empty words."
Orly?
"However, there are much greater ideas and much worse ones, neither of which will get chosen.
Pack it up people, I can see the majority don't like it and even if yuo did see it my way it wouldn't get chosen"
^ You saying this idea isn't the best out there,
""Must"? Im not so sure, I know you're behaving arrogant from what I've read. However, you have a WHOLE OTHER LIFE behind that computer screen that I know nothing about, so how can I judge you?"
The way you interact with someone is heavily influenced on what you think about them, which is a judgement. Calling me arrogant is judging me, and me thinking you are wrong is a judgement aswell. It all rotates around our opinion of each other.
"Ignorant?"
Maybe, but I make those judgments off all I have to work with- their moronic supporting of whatever new crackpot rebellion someone thinks of.
"The use of the words "I've noticed" negates your statement"
Acctually, it doesn't. I don't see how that would change anything.
"I must inform you, in my eyes, dodging questions implies something that can only be used against you"
You responded to my query of if you have been living under a rock for the past 10 years with "This question remains unanswered". Appropriate moment to trolololololo, amirite?
"It also implies that you think I ave said that or think that way"
Sarcasm. Get it down your throat, it is sarcasm.
"Your beliefs in nothing, I still find that funny"
I BELIEVE that there is no divine being.
"Let me ask you something, why don't you believe in our Lord?"
There is no legit evidence that there is any divine being. Also there is the fact that religion is a tool to explain the unexplainable- First the golds of old, zeus, posideon, etc, that explained natural weather. Then in the middle ages we blamed plauges on them. Finally, now that everything else is explained, we only have life after death.
"Which one again?"
Continueing the argument?
"I'm not sure that feelign is mutual :P"
/sarcasm
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"You said that I admitted, the idea wasn't good
As you can see by quoting me, I never said that anywhere"
It was implied. Easy to see it was implied, aswell.
"So if I call you my friend, that's judging you?"
You judge me as someone worthy to strike a friendship with. Problem?
"I never did HOWEVER if I did, I earlierly revised it"
lolwow
lie more broski
"Thinking someone's wrong is not a judgement? Or am I mistaken?"
It is judging their words as not true.
"You are behaving so conceitedly"
Or maybe I'm right?
"Actually it does. A common trait, means it's universal. However, with use of the words "I've noticed" means, it might not be in everyone but it's what I've seen"
You must have been looking ath a group of the less favorable athiests, those idiots who try to convert everyone.
"No, I don't think you're right. Since when Raeem?"
Then what is an appropriate moment to trololololo? And by the way, is your "H" key broken by chance? You spelled my name wrong 3 times in a row.
"I still find it hard to grasp"
I find it hard to grasp that there are hundreds of thousands of religions that all revolve around a diety, who's to know which one is true?
"'Legit'? Just because you don't like it, doen't stop the evidence from being legit"
Rephrase that. There is NO EVIDENCE supporting a divine being. Say the bible and you instantly lose the argument.
"Those are just idols"
Back then, they were the real deal. They all came out of style when their powers were debunked. Then, in the middle ages, we thought the Christian god caused all the plauges, war, etc. Now we know that plauges are caused by bacteria and viruses, and war is caused by general nastiness between 2 parties. The passage of time has already begun. Just wait.
"Christianity IS (< Failed invert) is the explanation. Not a tool to try and explain it"
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"No, it was perceived......only by you"
Why do you keep denying it?
"No I don't? Where did you accquire that far-fetched idea?"
It was an example of how a lot of our interactions involve judgments. No, I don't want to be your friend.
"I'll refer you to what you just quoted that you conveniently overlooked."
I'll pretend to understand that.
"We're talking about judging others here??"
You say that you shouldn't have to judge people. I say most of human interaction involve judgments upon each other.
"*Rollz eyes* Once again"
"You're a---Let me just quote you:
"There are so many assumptions in that post that I'm not even gonna dignify it with a response"
(Which is contradictory considering it is a response LOL)"
By I response, I mean a formal response. In my view, a post telling you that someone isn't going to respond means they won't make a counter to it.
"Hundreds of thousands? Are you sure???"
100 billion people have ever been born
Because religion was much, MUCH more prevelent in past generations, then we can assume most were religious....
Yeah, counting all tribal religions, western religions, eastern religions, etc., including all sects...
I'd say that rounds out to 100k+.
"I do [know which portrayed diety exists]"
Are you sure? A ton of other people with varying religious backgrounds can say the same.
"It was on purpose clever one, because since we've started battling you've spelled my name with an unnecessary "H", So I took one out of yours"
Apparently I was wrong to assume you had at least one spelled right word in your username.
"I'll refer you to a song I like by Lee Ann Womack (Christian)"
Songs arn't proof.
Archeological evidence is proof. Video is proof. Not some music a person thought of while sitting on their sofa.
"How much proof do you need?"
Enough for me to be able to definitivly say there is a diety of some kind.
"Random fun Fact: It's where I got my trademark/signature from"
I havn't seen you even post a siggy.
"If insulting what you dont get results in ignorance, then all Athiests must be ignorant"
We are insulting for understanding basic psychology? It is human nature to want to explain the unknown. Religion is a practical solution to that.
"Better their lives but "control" no I dont think so"
Control their feelings about whatever the subject their religion focuses on.
Any religion involving a afterlife will make participants feel good about what becomes of their deceased friends and family.
"Unfortunately the way you see it is wrong"
Simply calling my view wrong isn't going to cut it.
There is still the possibility that I am correct.
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"I love how this statement lacks complete and utter substance, and is quite foolish. It makes me LOL when you think you're wrongful interpretations turn into my imaginary denial"
You've given up arguing for the idea. If you still think it is worth something, why are you not standing by it?
"Be aware however, there are different kinds of judgements"
Doesn't change the fact that they are all judgments.
"I told you I didn't but I WARNED YOU, if I've forgotten saying it, I REVISED IT
But I suspect you only like look at the negative"
If I choose to view the negative, I shall do just that.
"Look up, 4th one up"
If the response you are referring to had any relevence to the statement I made, then I'd acctually have something useful to say about it.
"Well that's in your view"
Any problem in following it?
"YOU can assume, I however know that Christianity is and always was the light"
You say I may be wrong about most of my statments, yet you have NO PROOF WHATSOEVER that you are right in this case.
"You'd say, you think, you predict, you perceive
YOU aren't always right"
I refer you to the response above this.
"I'd throw my life on it"
As will I on the subject of Athiesm.
"I know a ton of other people "know" their beliefs are true however they are fools and ignorant"
Ohhh, harsh. Excuse me, but did you just insult more than 5 billion people?
Talk about tolorance...jeez...
"You are unable to make a name correctly, I say make because when your parents [example] choose to name you Rhaheem.
No one can tell you its wrong, because that's the way YOUR name is spelled
I'm not whatevs44, if I was then I'd have spelled my username wrong
However, I'm watevs44, spelled intentionally, correct as can be"
Rhaheem and Raheem are both correct spellings, thank you.
"You've failed to capture the point of the song, a song doesn't proo [wat]"
Hard to capture the point of a song when you only give the artist's name, let alone the song name itself!
"Atheist: "SHOW ME A VIDEO OF JESUS WALKING ON WATER, DONT HAVE ONE? GOD AND JESUS AINT REAL THEN""
I want proof that there is a diety in some shape or form. If it really takes us getting video of a diety, or have factual proof that a diety created the universe, then that is what I need.
"Again, missing the point. It's like the world's smartest mathematician coming an explaining to you that 1+1=2 but you still dont see it"
You have no proof
Making these random analogies isn't helping you.
"It's even in the freaken suggestion"
"Look around" is very unnoticible and doesn't even seem to have a point. When I think of a sig, I see something that ISN'T 2 irrelevent words.
"You insult your Lord for not believing in him, by YOUR own definition
You are ignorant"
I understand that a lot of people believe there is a diety that controls life as we know it and porvides an afterlife that is good or bad depending on how you spent your life. Just because I don't believe in it doesn't make me ignorant.
"I was refering to the school, games etc"
Games; Control life by adding a bit of fun to it
School; Control life by improving your possible future jobs
"I have friends who have a chance of ETERNAL suffering. Im not too thrilled about that"
That's the other side of the card: Besides from comforting family members, religion also grabs a reign onto your conciousness and discourages you from doing bad deeds with the threat of damnation.
"If you were wise, you'd know you aren't"
I am not wise for not believing in a all powerful being. Excuse me, but that seems a bit rough.
Notable athiests-
Tomas Edison
Richard Feynman (main player in dicovering quantum mechanics)
Stephen Hawking
Pierre-Simon Laplace (discovered black holes, predicted the existance of other galaxies)
Searching "notable athiests" will show you some more. Try the wikipedia articles on it.
Now, are all these brilliant minds ignorant, not wise, and fools? Because that is EXACTLY what you said about athiests, not to mention people of other religions.
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The idea is bad because one would cancel out an arguement/conversation before it begins.
(e.g OP may block Raheem and [may] said he won the arguement/conversation) |
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"Because a mojority of people so far don't like it
STILL doesn't mean I think its a bad idea, like you've been lying about"
If I still thought something was good, I'd fight for it. You giving up on activly supporting it is essentially giving up hope on it.
"I'm standing by it 100% percent, the only person who's made a valid point was Rowpunk. I'm not PROMOTING the idea, but I still stand by it"
You have to promote stuff ot get it done broski.
"But when I was talking to you, I wasn't referring to all judgements"
If so, please specify all these different kids of judgments you are talking about.
"That's a major flaw when it comes to judgements"
right, broham
"The problem here, is when I told you its wrong to judge other people
You were trying to fight me as if I were referring to all forms of judgement"
You referred to judgment like it was one thing. This is a problem considering we all make judgments constantly.
"Maybe not for yoou"
You have a problem with it? Fine.
"If we're in a courtcase
and I show the judge the murder weapon WITH matching fingerprints
But the judge looks away, does that mean I haven't provided proof
Yes or no? (If you dont understand its relevance, though its pree simple, Illget to it in a moment)"
Yes, I see no relevence. And besides, as I said, you keep denying all my statments without proof. That relates to a murder case with lots of evidence? In your dreams.
"Are you insinuating that you're always right"
Am I wrong to believe that I'm right most of the time? I don't post crap to purposefully be wrong.
"That's a pity... (that wasn't in a 'mocking' tone, actually a sympathetic one)"
Right back at you, brostrami.
"Keep in mind, it's all by your definition. If insulting what you dont understand is ignorant, then all non believers in Christ are ignorant, BY YOUR DEFINITION"
You don't get it. Just because people don't believe in something doesn't make them ignorant. It mearly means they do not like the ideals of it and therefore reject it as their belief system. I understand mainstream christianity, but because I challange it I am automatically ignorant? However you got that speared view of my ideals is beyond me.
"You've missed the point completely"
Fine with me
"The point is that there's proof all around you, yet people foolishly overlook it"
Call me when you get a pic of jesus turning water into wine. Kthxbai.
"Look above"
Look above
"2 above please"
2 above please
"As you can see from the 2 above, what you think doesn't really harm me"
Getting my opinion out there.
"L0L, your insult flopped so hard. Not only is there a meanful story behind mine, most sigs are utter nothingness
"Creative Lazor" "Slayin since '08" (no offense to those people)"
1. Tell your "meaningful story"
2. Those other example sigs are at least desciptive/creative. Look around? Seriously?
"You dont place faith in your Lord, you insult him in doing that
Resulting in: Raheem's version of ignorance"
I understand your belief system.
I do not accept it as my own.
Gtho and relearn what "insulting stuff you do not understand" means before quoting me on it.
And due to me not believing in YOUR diety, he cannot be MY diety aswell.
"Betters life, thats ur mistake"
Bettering life is a mistake? Lolwut?
"Realizing you don't have the ability to do whatever, isn't bad
Quite the contrary"
*points to Alexander the Great*
I'm sorry, but didn't he "do whatever" by using his armed forces to kill hundreds of thousands of people, sack numerous cities, and topple an empire?
""The fear of God, is the beginning of wisdom"~ The Holy Bible"
I'm sorry, I generally don't read fairytales, nomatter their popularity.
"I'm good, wanna know why? Look to the comment above"
ololololol my list is obviously irrelevent now olololoo
"By yours and the Bible's definitions, yes"
1. My definitions say nothing of that. Stop misquoting me and get some real responses.
2. The bible is a fictional work created during a thousand year period between the Roman times and the middle ages. If all the magical crap that happened in ancient times as claimed in the bible were true, why don't we have buring bushed giving people wisdom?
Although this argument is impossible to go anywhere with (even though I think I'm winning :D) due to Watevs being probably raised on religion, I can't deny that I love a good debate!
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Full support!
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"Giving up hope on it being placed into action, yes"
So the idea has failed. It is settled.
"Err, if that point were relevant, I'd r*ebut it"
My case in point- Amercian Revolution
Want independance? You have to fight for it.
"Yup"
Yarly
"Well you now know my intentions, so you can rectify your point"
Except that I don't have to.
"Answer the question, I'll get to the point, as I said"
Fine, then the answer is no.
"Fine with me
And no attempt to rectify, hmmmm
In a debate, looking away can be considered ignorant or a sign of loss on that point"
Ironic you should wail on me about that, considering you did EXACTLY THAT in the last post- "If so, please specify all these different kids of judgments you are talking about". You left the reponse blank.
"It's called an analogy"
Isn't it easier to tell it to me straight instead of using these crap analogies?
"Not only wasn't it (as seen by your joking manner) but can you stop refering to me in your mutations of the word "brother""
No thanks, brutha.
"Yes, and yo're arrogant in saying that
I know there's plentiful I can be wrong about"
Arrogan, arrogant, arrogant. Just about all you use to insult me. Really, if you can come up with a logical reason for why I shouldn't be so "arrogant", then I'd be less at a loss on why you think this even affects me.
"No, you don't get it. You are INSULTING THE LORD, all you're doing in that sentence is demonstrating how much you dont understand."
You appear to be not reading.
I UNDERSTAND you believe in your "lord"
I UNDERSTAND how you think his power works
WHAT I DONT DO IS BELIEVE IN HIM.
If that is insulting, then fine. I still understand your faith and therefore AM NOT IGNORANT IN MY DEFINITION THAT YOU CONSTANTLY QUOTE.
"I'm telling you, you're non-belief aint taken as a compliment. GET IT IN YOUR HEAD. In not believe YOU'RE ALSO insulting the Lord, thusforth, by your definition, YOU ARE IGNORANT, by YOUR DEFINITION"
You said not believing in your god is a compliment. Odd considering you said that not believing is an insult. And yet again, misquoting me. I understand your faith. I just don't accept it as my beliefs. Also known as NOT IGNORANT in my definition of it. You seem to just not accept that I'm right considering you keep repeating this same crap.
"Sigh, you're real hardheaded aint cha?"
Says the guy who thinks not belieivng is my version of ignorance.
"He is and always be"
Also says the millions of Muslims
Also says the millions of Jewish people
Also says the millions of Buddist people....
"I'm sorry, this is relevant how?"
You said the bible shows you that you can't just do whatever.
I pointed out a notable person from history who did "whatever"
"Oh thx! Maybe you'll listen this time around >:3
You just insulted God's holy word, ignorance"
Here, ill correct you.
'You just insulted a large book containing impossible stories made between the time of the Romans and medieval times!'
"You're waya lookin at it"
My definitions, I get the last word in them. You do not.
"You can say grass aint green, it still is"
Touche.
""Buring bushed" wuht?"
Burning bush. Sorry for the title. I'm refering to an individual section of a bible, where if I recall correctly, God took form as a buring bush to warn people.
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Wewt!
Nice debate, broski. |
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Did you just start talking about religion? By the way i think this thread gets locked soon. |
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The reason that this isn't a good idea is that a lot of people don't know how to take criticism. If somebody comes along with an opposing argument, then they'll just get blocked from the thread. Plus, forums are a place for free chat. If somebody is trolling, report them. |
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@whatevs
ololol hes locking his posts olololo
you gave up and you know it |
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