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UberWillard
#84213411Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:07 PM GMT

but by no means was it progression. discuss
Ryplayer
#84213741Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:11 PM GMT

I don't believe anybody is going to say colonisation was in any way beneficial. So yes, decolonisation was inevitably good.
UberWillard
#84213781Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:12 PM GMT

^ i think someone has been indoctrinated
Ryplayer
#84214045Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:15 PM GMT

Indoctrinated? Sources? Argument?
UberWillard
#84214152Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:17 PM GMT

the fact that colonization brought to many places of the world the rule of law, parliamentary democracy, railways, medicine, and the idea of the modern nation state as well as many other benefits
RagEgnite
#84214227Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:18 PM GMT

@UberWillard *Looks at the Middle East*
UberWillard
#84214303Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:19 PM GMT

colonialism wasn't around there long enough to give lasting benefits
Ryplayer
#84214401Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:20 PM GMT

As well as disease war corruption slavery dictatorship apartheid Robert Mugabe forced labour
RagEgnite
#84214452Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:21 PM GMT

Eh. I digress to that but whatever.
UberWillard
#84214453Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:21 PM GMT

As well as disease war corruption slavery dictatorship apartheid Robert Mugabe forced labour -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- notice how this happened after colonialism.
Ryplayer
#84214492Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:22 PM GMT

oops forgot genocide and concentration camps And no, this happened throughout the existence of the British Empire and others.
UberWillard
#84214536Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:22 PM GMT

SOURCE. i will not let that one slide
RagEgnite
#84214618Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:23 PM GMT

Ok, this sounds like that British Empire nonsense in that one thread all over again...
Ryplayer
#84214851Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:26 PM GMT

Boer Wars, slave trade, native oppression, inhibition of economic development of the colonised country, forced labour to produce tea, cotton etc, indigenous death from disease in North America and Australasia etc. I don't think I need direct sources because I think you are trolling.
UberWillard
#84214960Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:28 PM GMT

Boer Wars, slave trade, native oppression, inhibition of economic development of the colonised country, forced labour to produce tea, cotton etc, indigenous death from disease in North America and Australasia etc. I don't think I need direct sources because I think you are trolling. Notice the Boer wars were like 5 or so years Native oppression? gooby pls Inhibition of economic development? The Imperial world was far more globalized than the modern, I can assure you Indentured labour ain't forced The deaths from diseases can be said to be indirect because of the lack of knowledge about the spread of microbes, although there were some cases of deliberate contamination
Ryplayer
#84215337Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:33 PM GMT

"Native oppression? gooby pls" Wow. Get a history textbook. "Indentured labour ain't forced" Slavery durrrrrrrrr "Inhibition of economic development?" Capital from colonised went straight to coloniser inhibiting economic and social development of the colonised country. "The deaths from diseases can be said to be indirect because of the lack of knowledge about the spread of microbes, although there were some cases of deliberate contamination" Yep. If you refuse to believe that the problems prevelent today in Africa are not directly related to colonialism then i'm afraid you're quite simply wrong.
Ryplayer
#84215530Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:35 PM GMT

You're trolling anyway.
UberWillard
#84216136Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:43 PM GMT

Capital from colonised went straight to coloniser inhibiting economic and social development of the colonised country. Absolute lies. No idea what corrupt muppet you get these ideas from, but yeah. Take India. High Maxwell, for example, turned Cawnpore into the "Manchester of the East" By the 1880's Britain had invested 270 million pounds into India, by 1914 it would be 400 million Britain created an Indian coal industry which started from near enough zero but produced 16 million tons of coal a year by 1914 However, one does get this impression by the wealth difference. But htis is all due to industrialization and is relative. For example, India's GDP per capita rose 14% between 1757 and 1947, whereas British epr capita GDP rose by 347%, but this is due to economic growth. Indian life expectancy was increased by 11 years, and about 500x more land was irrigated and farmed under Britain than had been at any other point in preceding INdian history In India, the crap economics you spurted out there led to a de facto "drain" on the Indian economy by Britain amounting to 1% of GNP between 1868 and 1930
UberWillard
#84217406Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:57 PM GMT

bump
GoodluckJonathanHat
#84218748Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:11 PM GMT

most of the civil wars and conflicts in africa were because of colonization
RagEgnite
#84219179Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:15 PM GMT

@goodluck My Social Studies textbook says it's because of rival ethnic and tribal groups.
TheKentuckian
#84223959Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:08 PM GMT

EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM IN HISTORY EVER WAS BECAUSE OF COLONIALISM EVEN BEFORE COLONIALISM
GoodluckJonathanHat
#84226053Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:30 PM GMT

@ragegnite Yeah, the europeans destroyed the original borders in Africa and put different ethnic groups together into one country, which created a lot of conflicts between them. It's like Europe getting colonized and the English, French, Germans, and Dutch are together in one country
UberWillard
#84270453Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:49 PM GMT

thats already happening and we all get along fine
twigs182
#84314746Friday, December 14, 2012 6:17 AM GMT

The German colonial empire would of flourished and been one of the most model systems in the world had it not been for the allies capturing it.

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