fastlane250Top 25 PosterJoin Date: 2007-06-18
Post Count: 100043 |
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Hi, I'm fastlane250. To some of you I'm probably rearing my annoying head again with another one of these threads, but I feel like the first two have run their course. It's time for a new discussion on this subject.
Due to recent events caused by someone on these forums, an example has been set that you can spam or use bots to increase your post count, and get away with it. In the almost four years I've been posting on this site, this has never been a problem until now. I may not really care about post count these days, but I've gone from #1 to almost #6 in less than a month now due to random people coming out of nowhere and either using bots or abusing the way things work around here to disguise their spam as legitimate posts. So good at abusing that reporting seems to have no effect at all.
Post count has ZERO meaning now. The difference between someone who posts actual content that contributes to discussion here and someone who coasted their way up with posts comprising of single words, numbers, (that problem has been mostly addressed by now in Forum Games, thank you nobledragon) or just plain nonsense cannot be determined by how large someone's post count is.
And yet that's the way it is around here, with people being judged based on solely a number alone, and not by who they are and how they act. In the worst cases, it leads to ridicule. I should know, I've received loads of taunts on the forums and from private messages because of all this madness, so much that I've had to set PM's to friends-only so I can avoid them.
This has to stop. The way things were in years past does NOT work now. The top 100 poster system (while not working at the writing of this post, a list is still maintained by a user who I will not explicitly name) has only served to create a forum hierarchy based off of someone's post count number.
I believe that removing the post counter will have the following positive effects:
1. Users will no longer be ridiculed or ostracized on various parts of the site because of how large or small their post count number is.
2. More emphasis will be placed on post content, enriching discussion.
3. There will be less of an incentive to spam posts everywhere just to raise your count. If anyone is going to spam then, they will most likely be doing it with malicious intent, which is usually caught by moderators.
If a suitable replacement for the post count can be made, (I've heard of rumors of a reputation system) that would be really nice.
Another big problem is people using spambots. They (or should I say the code to set up one) are/is used to rapidly create replies to spam and boost one's post count. I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure irrelevant posts such as "hi", "not sur" and "lol" on multiple threads over the span of a couple hours isn't legitimate posting.
I can't really go into much other detail as I do not really know the exact story behind the botting code, and if anyone can come forward and help explain how it works on this thread, that would be great. (might be javascript somehow able to be executed on the site, which... can that even be stopped?)
What I'm really asking for here is a straight answer. Before on the previous two threads there were comments from mods here about considering taking the actions described. I know the idea has been acknowledged, but I just want to know if ANYTHING is being done or in the works about this. I'm not trying to demand anything, I would just like to have a polite conversation with a dev or admin or SOMEONE who knows what the future plans are for these forums.
Finally, I'm going to talk a little bit about myself. Some people think I'm doing this just because I've been passed. I'm not. One thing about me from real life that I never really show on this site is that sometimes I tend to worry or care about other people more than myself. It doesn't show very much, but it is here. Once you've realized that you've helped contribute to a problem that can either hurt others or cause them to resort to taking unscrupulous actions, there's a desire to try and make things right. Yes, I've posted a lot, and at one point I worried about quantity over quality. That's something I wish I could go back and undo, but I probably have a better chance of setting things right now, rather thing trying to change the past.
I implore you, whoever you are looking at this, be you admin or just a user, to take action. The madness of all of this must end. Right now we've got around 5 people botting/spam it out for top spot. Why let that continue?
OLDER THREADS:
http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=94895156
http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=91783861
#removepostcount GROUP LINK:
http://www.roblox.com/Groups/group.aspx?gid=851158
heh heh, just realized the ID's a palindrome
TL;DR version: go and read at least some of it, I can't condense.
-fastlane250, some guy who might just care a little bit too much sometimes |
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IYIurderJoin Date: 2011-07-26
Post Count: 12646 |
Maybe keep it on the profile post count.
But yeah, I'm sick of people saying 'HA U ONLY HAVE 300 POSTS'
Some people will really not like this *COUGH*Ventus*COUGH*
But..
Support. |
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It will ruin your clockwork's calculator level.
~ Do you want to see the Rabbits David? ~ |
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IYIurderJoin Date: 2011-07-26
Post Count: 12646 |
@PokeShadow
Good point. |
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fastlane250Top 25 PosterJoin Date: 2007-06-18
Post Count: 100043 |
@poke
Does it even really matter? That's always been an unofficial offsite thing some people ise to increase their ego.
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kinda like post counts |
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im a manager in the #removepostcount group
so i support |
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It annoys me when people judge on post count. People in RT and OT average out to 20k posts just because they post 30 times in ten minutes, and then people assume they're legitimate forumers because they've posted so often. Here on S&I, it's mostly trolls that post spam messages, however a lot of posts can be accumulated by simply going down the list of threads and saying "support" or "no support." In general, though, post count = experience on this forum. But that is not the case for most other forums, which is why I have no objection to removing it. |
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hmm
My main accounts: TeapotHead, Niftygob2, 0LG and BeQuietPlease |
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Full support. I hate people with 1k+ posts who think they're mini-mods.
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@Fast Yes. Level. Matters. To. Most. Of. Us. |
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@poke
I'm trying to pretend that people as horrible as you don't exist right now |
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@poke
If this happened, You could know your own post count, others can't, you know that, right...?
By the way SUPPORTING ALL THE WAYY. |
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UlrondJoin Date: 2011-06-23
Post Count: 11962 |
I'm on the fence with this.
I like post count, but it is understandable that some people want to remove it to make the community better. |
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marshsayJoin Date: 2008-07-21
Post Count: 25199 |
I supported the old thread, and I'm supporting this one, too. |
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They should remove it for public viewing. They said they were going around to replace it with a reputation system, but it's lost in the void for as far as we know.
LOAD "*",8,1 |
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marshsayJoin Date: 2008-07-21
Post Count: 25199 |
That and the ex-BC getting 5 places...
Anyway, if it's still there for the user to see their own post amount, they might lie about it, and that's why in the old thread everyone was sort of half and half on whether on not to let the users see their own post count.
Originally, I thought we shouldn't show them their own post count, but even if they told the truth about their post count nobody would know for sure, even if they put up a picture it could be edited, so I think we should probably let them see their own post count. Advantages to that seem to weigh out the disadvantages. |
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MacolnJoin Date: 2013-06-16
Post Count: 59 |
Huge Support |
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They should remove join dates too.
I originally joined before, but my main was deleted.
Also, people who joined really early always get accused of PGing, and get asked by people if they could have their account just for the early join date.
SO MANY FEELS.
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Z6000Join Date: 2013-07-04
Post Count: 194 |
no |
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No support.
For removing post count.
If they could...somehow...stop botting.
Please do.
If they could stop spam...well, we'll see about that of course.
If stopping spam+botting...then yes, destroy post count.
But trying to stop botting and spamming should be a first attempt. |
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Good idea fastlane
SUpport |
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@advanced
either put butttons of mods on the job or remove post count, putting butttons of mods would mean butttons more money that roblox costs |
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Drew_77Join Date: 2011-04-22
Post Count: 16642 |
Bumped |
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