Cart_rJoin Date: 2010-04-09
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The tl;dr is at the bottom: "The small clans are the future, but we're just too selfish and ignorant to acknowledge that." |
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the clan world is objectively bad because there's not enough new people, and not enough innovation
seriously, big clans get a good base, not a competitive base, a fun base, then get yourselves known and get some new people and innovate |
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VAK has tried to war WIJ AND FC. Both clans did not wish to war us back and backed out. |
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Hare8901Join Date: 2008-04-30
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"VAK has tried to war WIJ AND FC. Both clans did not wish to war us back and backed out."
vak was the one who called a cease-fire in vakVfc and were the ones who backed out of negotations |
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have your incessant tangential clan arguments elsewhere |
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MrYouChewJoin Date: 2012-04-16
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I never get what drives people to make an entire essay out of an issue on roblox, but you did, and it was very good. Worth the read, and was something to acknowledge.
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Hare8901Join Date: 2008-04-30
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also you say "mainstream" clans should war more small clans, but when they do, as demonstrated by wijVsf they don't nearly have enough activity to handle it. even then, half the time its the small clans that decline wars vak/wj/fc declare upon them.
even though you would much rather blame the "mainstream" clans for all our problems, its simply everyone's mistakes that are bringing us down. from not warring anyone (wij) to declining almost everything, its everyone's problems.
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I consider SF a mainstream clan as well, because as stated previously in the thread paul, as a leader, already has an establishment within the clan world
Mainstream clans should war more small clans, but the problem is those small clans don't have the resources other mainstream clans have to boost their activity, therefore resulting in most smaller clans having lackluster activity, unable to compete with the other clans. Of course, there are quite a few smaller clans that do possess such activity, but what ends up happening is that VAK/WIJ/FC declare war on the wrong clans, which need the resources that they don't have to progress, develop, and compete. |
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i think the major clans should adjust their resources to being productive, like building a good base to advertise their clan off of?
if you make a good base that's fun to defend and raid and is aesthetically pleasing, then get that on the front page, you will get members, a lot.
instead we'd rather make poor looking pieces of crap that hey, are at least balanced and "fair" according to the c7g code of law |
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i'll be addressing the various other points of a more solidified solution later on, hopefully by this week |
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Hare8901Join Date: 2008-04-30
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not always- sc warred raa, tgi warred w/ tcc, a-sov was in the redemption, fc was allies with tb as you mentioned in the thread for a while until they endlessly got shutdown. fc is currently allies with serenity samurai.
not to mention the endless wars between large swordfight groups and the smaller ones, they tend to be relevant.
even with arke, if you have a good developer you will become "mainstream"
even void and arcen rose to power from posting on the forums
those are plenty of "future" clans that are currently becoming mainstream. however you make it seem its impossible to become mainstream, even though there are clans like void, tcc, raa that are definitely are on their way. its not eternal, either, RAT was not always mainstream or well-known as "good" (which it isnt) until they beat sc and warred w/ tgi.
all the clans you listed were not always mainstream as you make it seem, I know for a fact FC was not mainstream considering we rarely had a c&g presence before. |
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Very well put. I agree with a lot of this. DieSoft a while ago was going to try something called Vox Solis where he had a group of people that would make everything for a clan, then find a worthy leader to lead it.
Maybe something like Vox Solis is what we need to get smaller clans out there and relevant. It's not that mainstream clans are bad, they just get boring.
Do you have a Skype? |
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your definition and my definition of a smaller clan are different;
RAA, TCC, A-SOV and VOID are all mainstream because of their established presence in C&G; essentially, the only way right now to create a clan that can make its way in is to have some sort of influence, popularity, etc on C&G and take advantage of it by trying to spark hype on the forums, consistently marketing your clan til people finally join (Sasook and ISO are long time clanners, Seviro (TGI), TCC had to market themselves on the forums tremendously but still had some sort of presence already)
that already established power makes it easier to bring themselves from a smaller clan to a mainstream clan - no, the problem is any clan with strong potential, great activity, and so forth will ONLY be able to make it in with the help of the forums or through a patron, developer, etc
mainstream =/= good, superclan, etc |
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Good read. People trying to argue the validity of their clans, this is not the forum to do it on. He's talking about something different, take it for what it is. |
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"DieSoft a while ago was going to try something called Vox Solis where he had a group of people that would make everything for a clan, then find a worthy leader to lead it."
Mother of god that is genius. |
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Hare8901Join Date: 2008-04-30
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and has that been any different than before? |
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no hare, because the clan world was doing alright without it, but now needs it more and more as time goes on
think of it this way; you have resources A, B, and C - the clan world repeatedly uses resource A, and sometimes resource B. Eventually, resource A is becoming more difficult to attain and resort to resource B, but soon after that, resource B becomes more difficult to attain. They must resort to resource C, but because of the clans neglecting resource C for so long, it hardly isn't even seen as a resource anymore; resource C is what i was talking about
i see exactly what you're getting at, and i understand it completely - this is only part of the reason why the clan world is in decline, the other part either me or my friend will put up later (because this is unfortunately the things we talk about)
thanks for the argument though because it helps develop this better |
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ttom blind as always
wij declined you
fc didn't
you declined void |
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I think the problem goes all the way back to arrogance in the clan world and the value of public opinion.
Everyone wants to be popular and will not do anything to ruin that. If these mainstream clans dare venture out of their comfort zone then they will be ridiculed and will inevitably come back to fighting one another.
I remember the days of 2010-2011 where new somewhat relevant clans were popping up every few weeks. It was like the Industrial Revolution for clans back then. This created a very fun and desirable environment that was quite welcoming. We now compare that to today; all the power lies in the hands of a few clans and they will not relinquish it.
The large clan world is boring nowadays. I've always preferred small clans for that reason. In the small clan world there is so much variety and it is such a welcoming atmosphere. The leaders of these small clans are looking to grow large, and for their hopes, dreams, and ambitions to come to fruition they believe they must be very friendly and helpful.
Unfortunately for larger clans, many attempts have been made to correct their problems. None have been successful. God knows I've tried to be progressive and bring change!
That's my take on this.
~You Spin Me Right Round Baby, Right Round Round~ |
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@reawakening
I share surprisingly similar sentiment |
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Well, since I see the thread, I decided to tell you guys my idea for my clan.
My clan will create a coalition to liberate annexed groups.
Is this innovated? |
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