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francis147
#157329879Saturday, March 07, 2015 1:53 AM GMT

at least in America the majority of your future is determined by a standardized test?
TroopicalPunch
#157329929Saturday, March 07, 2015 1:54 AM GMT

Screw america honestly. -_-
francis147
#157330072Saturday, March 07, 2015 1:56 AM GMT

@Troop also realize the majority of the people on the planet live in a place far worse than America.
TroopicalPunch
#157330155Saturday, March 07, 2015 1:57 AM GMT

Understandable.
francis147
#157330243Saturday, March 07, 2015 1:58 AM GMT

also realize that even if you work hard in manual labor, work at a office your whole life, or go to college you could still end up in the lower-class or lower-middle-class
TroopicalPunch
#157330499Saturday, March 07, 2015 2:01 AM GMT

It really depends on the job. Let's say you want to go to nursing. You'll probably have a hard time since so many people are going for nursing jobs. Since I'm not an idiot or well social or anything. Sticking to a manufacturing career since it pays well and employers need experienced people.
Foreverly
#157330679Saturday, March 07, 2015 2:03 AM GMT

You don't need any schooling to be a Janitor
romuluz
#157330840Saturday, March 07, 2015 2:05 AM GMT

Uhm, may I interject how STAR testing or whatever it's called in each state determines your future?
goku19876
#157330946Saturday, March 07, 2015 2:06 AM GMT

star, wth is that? you mean parcc?
Sycarius
#157330992Saturday, March 07, 2015 2:07 AM GMT

You determine your own future.
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#157331012Saturday, March 07, 2015 2:07 AM GMT

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francis147
#157331090Saturday, March 07, 2015 2:08 AM GMT

@kill no you don't. you could be born dumb and want to be a physicist on the same level as Einstein, but it wont happen because you were born dumb.
romuluz
#157331170Saturday, March 07, 2015 2:09 AM GMT

"Or whatever it's called in each state" It's called STAR testing or was in Cali. Don't know what it is in other states. Either way, last time I checked, standardized testing is actually pretty pointless. Colleges don't check those scores. Jobs don't check those scores. No one does really. It's simply testing to see how well the school is doing it's job, hence the push by the teachers to do amazingly well on them. It's honestly more for the schools than the individual.
francis147
#157331236Saturday, March 07, 2015 2:10 AM GMT

@romuluz have you never heard of the SAT? or the ACT?
ChiefTempest
#157331337Saturday, March 07, 2015 2:11 AM GMT

high school sucks
romuluz
#157331514Saturday, March 07, 2015 2:13 AM GMT

Yeah. Even then they're not absolutely necessary unless you're going directly to a 4 year college, then and only then is it essential to take and do well on an SAT/ACT. For those who are going to community colleges and then transferring to a state, it's absolutely pointless to take them as they don't check those scores from transferees. On top of that, there are many businessmen, entrepreneurs and others who either scored poorly on SAT's, or didn't take them at all.
Daxal
#157331549Saturday, March 07, 2015 2:14 AM GMT

A man chooses. A slave obeys. BioShock I Keep on keeping on | Daxal
romuluz
#157331567Saturday, March 07, 2015 2:14 AM GMT

On top of that, there are many businessmen, entrepreneurs and others who either scored poorly on SAT's, or didn't take them at all and still have gone on to be sucessful*. Should have put that in there.
francis147
#157331633Saturday, March 07, 2015 2:15 AM GMT

'On top of that, there are many businessmen, entrepreneurs and others who either scored poorly on SAT's, or didn't take them at all and still have gone on to be sucessful*.' they are the small minority
are31
#157331688Saturday, March 07, 2015 2:15 AM GMT

im going into the army
romuluz
#157331836Saturday, March 07, 2015 2:17 AM GMT

Actually they're larger than you think :/. I'm not talking 1% here(Although they are included), I'm talking doing well enough to support themselves, which includes most people who use the transfer system. Again, the whole point of going to community college first is either due to poor finances, or poor scores. And yes, you can still get into a good college if you don't do well on the SAT's. You're just not going there right out of high school.
Andillas
#157331841Saturday, March 07, 2015 2:17 AM GMT

Some people are lucky and have a high level of business skills while not being particularly gifted in understanding sciences or mathematics, and not being able to necessarily write well. What it comes down to is that you do determine your own future, you just have to put the effort in to get there.
francis147
#157331957Saturday, March 07, 2015 2:19 AM GMT

@romuluz I was assuming that when you said 'successful' you meant Upper-class or at least upper-middle-class
romuluz
#157331975Saturday, March 07, 2015 2:19 AM GMT

^^^^ This isn't some Divergent crap. We're in a free country, and while yes, SAT's are essential to some people's lives it's not game over if you score poorly.
Andillas
#157332025Saturday, March 07, 2015 2:20 AM GMT

success means achieving your goals. If someone achieved their goals they are successful.

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