ImperatosJoin Date: 2012-08-02
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SAT/ACT scores dont determine your future lmao |
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AndillasJoin Date: 2010-05-23
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@rom I'm gonna assume those beautiful arrows are for me.
thank you |
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romuluzJoin Date: 2010-04-12
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Even the upper middle will be composed of those who did not take or did poorly on SAT's.
The transfer system is like a safety net so people aren't just SOL if they do poorly on standardized testing. |
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@Andillas
That's just one definition of success though.
@romuluz
You can't deny that it probably would be better if you got higher SAT scores and got into a better college. |
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romuluzJoin Date: 2010-04-12
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Lol yes they are and. |
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romuluzJoin Date: 2010-04-12
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"You can't deny that it probably would be better if you got higher SAT scores and got into a better college."
In some senses it could be quicker, that's for sure, but it's not necessarily "better". It's honestly all dependent on the person and how they would handle colleges right out of high school. But I won't get into that.
Again, I don't know how many times I have to stress that you CAN get into good if not amazing colleges w/o SAT scores thanks to the wonderful transfer system which takes 2 years to complete. For example, my local community college has transfer deals with colleges such as UCLA, which means that should one fail their SAT's they only need to put the effort into the transfer program and enter UCLA in their junior year.
As for level of education, it's dependent on the community college. I'm lucky enough to have some damned good Community Colleges right in my area. |
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AndillasJoin Date: 2010-05-23
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@francis
undergraduate education is the same across the board
literally any state school is going to teach the same level
also community college is a thing that exists
grad school doesn't give two turds about your ACT score
they want the $$$$ and the good grades on undergrad work
so
pls
ACT score =/= success level
ACT score == scholarship money
higher cost college at undergrad level =/= better school
higher cost college at undergrad level == higher cost college at undergrad level
the only time money comes into play when choosing a college for undergraduate work is when you are considering going to a school that is $1000/year or $500/year (unrealistic I know) but there's other factors. Price is one of them
basically ACT == money not potential level of success |
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romuluzJoin Date: 2010-04-12
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Hit it right on the nose there Andillas. |
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@Andillas
i was talking more about the SAT scores.
you can not deny that HIGHER SAT SCORES = more likely to get into good college (lets say ivy league) = more likely to get a job when compared to someone who went to a worse college |
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romuluzJoin Date: 2010-04-12
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Francis, that only applies to those who are going there right out of high school.
For like, the millionth time, THEY DO NOT check SAT or ACT scores from transferees. They see it as irrelevant at that point and only check your grades and extracurricular activities.
You can have a perfect SAT score as a transferee and they still won't even give two shts about it. My school counselor even recommended that I void taking the SATs as I am going to CC out of high school and transferring from there. |
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@romuluz
'For like, the millionth time, THEY DO NOT check SAT or ACT scores from transferees. They see it as irrelevant at that point and only check your grades and extracurricular activities. '
this is completely false, whoever told you this is a fool. If they were pointless no one would take them. |
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Oh you said 'transferees' my bad
I'm talking about
lets say someone went to Harvard for for years
and someone went for 2 with 2 years of community.
they guy who went for 4 years is more likely to get the job |
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romuluzJoin Date: 2010-04-12
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Did you even read what I wrote.
It's pointless for THOSE WHO ARE TRANSFERRING FROM A COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
It's essential for those who are going straight to a 4 year, which is why a lot of people take them.
They, again, do not care about SAT's for people transferring from a state or community college.
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@romuluz
you obviously didn't read what i wrote :D |
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romuluzJoin Date: 2010-04-12
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"Oh you said 'transferees' my bad
I'm talking about
lets say someone went to Harvard for for years
and someone went for 2 with 2 years of community.
they guy who went for 4 years is more likely to get the job"
Not really true :/. They'll both have the same degree from Harvard, and unless the first dude transferred from a really bad Community College or State(Although it's HIGHLY unlikely he'd get into Harvard if he was transferring from a crap school), it'd depend on who left better impressions during the interview process and who performed better at Harvard.
As Andix said, pre grad level education is pretty much the same across the board. |
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AndillasJoin Date: 2010-05-23
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"@Andillas
i was talking more about the SAT scores.
you can not deny that HIGHER SAT SCORES = more likely to get into good college (lets say ivy league) = more likely to get a job when compared to someone who went to a worse college"
I can and I will deny it
My friends and I are super intelligent
I personally never took the SAT but I would've scored highly if I had. My friend scored a 35 on his ACT and a 2380 (something in that area, like whatever the score is right below perfect) on his SAT. Other friends of mine scored perfect on the SAT and 35's on the ACT (surprisingly I don't know anyone with a perfect ACT score).
ONLY ONE
GOT INTO AN IVY LEAGUE SCHOOL
don't blame race either
these guys are all level of the spectrum
I'm white, my friends are largely Indian, Chinese, Korean, Thai, Black, Hispanic, and more White people.
ACT =/= college admission
SAT =/= college admission
also ivy league means nothing at the undergraduate level, which is what you go into coming out of high school. An employer who's looking at two candidates, one from MIT and one from the University of Alabama at Huntsville (my destination next year, where I will be paying 0 for tuition and 0 for housing, both due to academic scholarships), will pick the one who shows more promise during the interview stage, assuming both candidates have the same grades.
Success is more about who you are and who you know, not how you do on one test at the high school level. Because literally every person that hires college grads knows that the ACT is crap. It's biased, it's unfair, and it's not even that consistent. COLLEGES know this. Honestly the thing about the ACT is that no one really cares unless you got a 12 or a 34+. Colleges are more interested in who you are and how you portray yourself, not in what score you got on one dumb test (except in the situation where you didn't manage to get an 18+ or you scored over a 34). |
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So since it has no relation to college acceptance if you got a 0 on the test you'd have the same chance to get into an ivy league as if you got a 2400? Right? |
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romuluzJoin Date: 2010-04-12
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^^^^^^
Again, hit it right on the nose.
My AmStuds teacher even had a dirty acronym for the SAT which she refused to tell us all year :/
Point is, while the SAT's are pretty much your ticket into a 4 year right out of HS, it's not a do or die scenario and there are still options towards success shall you fail. |
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romuluzJoin Date: 2010-04-12
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"So since it has no relation to college acceptance if you got a 0 on the test you'd have the same chance to get into an ivy league as if you got a 2400? Right? "
If you're transferring, sure. But I think what And is trying to say is is that perfect scores don't guarantee you entry into an ivy league. Scratch that, ESPECIALLY not an ivy league. |
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AndillasJoin Date: 2010-05-23
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"Oh you said 'transferees' my bad
I'm talking about
lets say someone went to Harvard for for years
and someone went for 2 with 2 years of community.
they guy who went for 4 years is more likely to get the job"
If someone goes to community college and then to a full undergrad college, and the other candidate went to Harvard for all four, I would honestly, as a potential employer, consider the community college grad more. The Harvard guy went to an Ivy League school for just four years? Why not go into law?
Ivy League schools are good for only two kinds of undergraduate students
A) Those who are going there for free
B) Those who are going there because they plan on staying for grad work.
Other than that they're just overhyped, because two college grads are two college grads regardless of where you went.
also community college for associates and then two years of full college for a bachelors is a smarter economic decision and shows that you have more business sense.
also "Andix" lol |
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@romuluz
once again
if someone went to Harvard for 4 years and someone went for 2 years, the person who went for 4 would be more likely to get in. (lets consider they all do the interview equally well) that shows the SAT affected their future.
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AndillasJoin Date: 2010-05-23
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@francis
I'm not gonna bother typing another essay
that's just straight up not true
sorry buddy |
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@Andillas
no your last post was literally you spewing BS out of your mouth and translating that crap into English. You literally said 'also community college for associates and then two years of full college for a bachelors is a smarter economic decision and shows that you have more business sense.' as a reason to hire the community college goer.
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AndillasJoin Date: 2010-05-23
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actually screw it
Harvard is expensive
community college is (generally) not
so if someone goes to community college for an associates degree and then to Harvard to finish, THAT is more impressive than going straight to college, especially when the two candidates only differ in their SAT scores. The lower score person managed to do SO WELL at community college that they got into Harvard. That level of growth is honestly more impressive than just going straight to a hella expensive school right off the bat. |
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