ShadowSTRJoin Date: 2010-07-08
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Let me put out my history with fc
I first joined in 2010 and have been in and out of it since then, but through last November and December I was involved in the FC community a lot. I became friends with a ton of people in the community and still like most of them(not trying to offend any one in FC especially my friends)
Although I have noticed it is not a big topic lately when I left for a few months it was a huge topic about how good FC would be considered without fort wolf
Alot of people on the forums claimed Fort Wolf isn't fair, and it's not. I'll try and explain why in order
Frost bows:
"Anyone can train with them"
That's very true, but why would a clan put in hours and hours to reach the level of skill with bows that most FC members have for a war that will just last a month or so. There are a lot of FC members that are extremly skilled with bows (hi sparrow) that most people probably couldn't reach even if they did put in the time(me included).
Cliffs:
FC gets higher cliffs than the raiders, and height in bows is everything. Specifically between spawns and mid FC has a huge advantage there it is way easier for fc to snipe raiders than it is vise versa
Cannon:
The cannon is way closer to the FC spawn and the cliffs make it hard for raiders to hit fc members coming from soawn, but make it easier for fc to shoot raiders comig from spawn. Aslo Fc can reach it much faster from spawn and get to the flag using it to travel. It is also easy for FC to climb on the cliffs walk way back on them where they can't be shot to the cannon jump down and shoot themself over mid point. Raiders can cut them off but obviously FC is going to be way better with frost bows considering they train wayyy more with them.
Tunnels:
Tunnels are also on the FC side of the map making it easier for them to get to the flag wthout being noticed
Waterfall:
Also on the FC side which is a very fast way up the the mountain top or the tunnels
When it comes to FC's skill with guns
Most of them are awful. Don't get me wrong there are a fewreally good gun fighters in FC, but the majority suck. I considered myslef above adverage when I was in the during november december(i still wasn't that good) and rcl traings were a joke they were so easy.
We also raided tra a lot during the time i was in it(keep in mind the fort was really unfair) and fc would take hours to win there if they actually won. A lot of the fc were just bad at guns and would not lieten at all and just rush spawn. Even though the base was unfair FC should have preformed way better(don't take me wrong there were still usually 3 or 4 good fighters but not enough to make up for the rest).
Not trying to make enemies with FC I like quite a few members, and I am not trying to start a big flame war just up for debate( will end in flame war most likely)
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WannaBetJoin Date: 2011-01-01
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ShadowSTRJoin Date: 2010-07-08
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"Most of them are awful. Don't get me wrong there are a fewreally good gun fighters in FC, but the majority suck."
i'm not sure if you've noticed but we're a super clan, so obviously the majority of members are going to be average or below average at fighting in general. we have plenty of gun fighters that are good both in and out of wolf squad.
"We also raided tra a lot during the time i was in it(keep in mind the fort was really unfair) and fc would take hours to win there if they actually won."
what are you talking about dude sure there were a few off raids on TRA but most of our raids on kaeru and rana were wins, not losses. and the majority of them did not take "hours" to win. i'm not going to lie and say mess ups never happened, but you're definitely over exaggerating how things went. |
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FC is stupid lol, idiots relying on bows O________________________O in 2015??? |
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iRun101Join Date: 2013-04-18
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they figured us out run and hide!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Rofl? What is this suppose to scare me? Alright let me just explain why you're wrong and I'm correct. |
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ShadowSTRJoin Date: 2010-07-08
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"i'm not sure if you've noticed but we're a super clan, so obviously the majority of members are going to be average or below average at fighting in general. we have plenty of gun fighters that are good both in and out of wolf squad."
I compared the skill of the adverage fc member to the adverage wij or uaf memeber. FC's best 10-20 is better than UAF's 10-20 but overall UAF has more adverage gfs then FC
"what are you talking about dude sure there were a few off raids on TRA but most of our raids on kaeru and rana were wins, not losses. and the majority of them did not take "hours" to win. i'm not going to lie and say mess ups never happened, but you're definitely over exaggerating how things went."
I don't remeber you being at any you may have been at one or two. I vividly remeber 4 or 5 raids going on at tra's fort that would last a good 2 hours |
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mitche8Join Date: 2008-07-22
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wot the hek did u just say about me, u little skid? ill have you know I graduated top of my class in wolf sqwod, and ive been involved in numerous secret raids on vaktovia, and I have over 170,000 confirmed pwns i am trained in frost bow warfare and I’m the top oder in the entire frost clan armed forces. u r nothing to me but just another woman. I will wipe u the nerd out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before at this fort, mark my words n0b. u think u can get away with saying that funny stuff to me over the internet? think again, woman. as we speak i am contacting my secret network of wold squads across the frost clan group and ur mom is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, nerd. the sparrowstorm that wipes out the pathetic little thing u call ur kdr. u r flippin ded, m8. i can be anywhere, anytime, and i can rek u in over 3.0x10^2 ways, and that’s just with my frost bow. not only am I extensively trained in frost bows, but i has access to the entire arsenal of the wolf squod and i will use it to its full extent to wipe ur miserable fart launcher off the face of the continent, u little nerd. If only u could have known what unholy retribution ur little “tryhard” comment was about to bring down upon u, maybe u would have held u friken wong. but u couldn’t, u didn’t, and now u r paying the piper, you gadding smegma. i will fart fury all over u and u will drown in it. u r ded ded m8 scrub skid, kiddo. |
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I also think you're mentally sick because you had like 50 spelling errors and you randomly brought this up in August 2015. |
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Inb4biasmembers
Inb4noyourjustwrong
Inb4justaflamereply
Let me put out my history with other clans
I first joined in 2010 and have been in and out of other clans since then, but through last summer I was involved in other clans a lot. I became friends with a ton of people in the community and still like most of them(not trying to offend any one in FC especially my friends)
Although I have noticed it is not a big topic lately when I left for a few months it was a huge topic about how good raiders would be considered they actually knew what to do
Alot of people on the forums claimed Fort Wolf isn't fair, and it's not, but it is balanced. I'll try and explain why in order
Frost bows:
"Anyone can train with them"
That's very true, but why would a clan put in hours and hours to reach the level of skill with bows that most FC members have for a war that will just last a month or so. However, bows are quite similar to guns in the fact that even if someone is amazing at them a 2v1 is still pretty easy to win against them. A skill level at the point of FC isn't required, as most of the time FC is outnumbered by at least 3 to 1..
Cliffs:
Raiders get cliffs as well and it is ridiculously easy to defend from longshots of bows. There may be an advantage between spawns and mid but after that it completely evens out. Also, getting to the FC side is also very easy for all it takes is a jump in the river and it becomes almost impossible for FC to stop raiders from getting onto their side and taking those cliffs over. The only problem is FC keep respawning, however, it's not about having those cliffs, it's about defending mid, which is really easy as long as you know how to block the bowshots from the cliffs. A team of three could defend mid against 3 fc easily
Cannon:
Cannons are of course closer to the FC side, but whenever an FC member uses a cannon they become extremely vulnerable. They have to first aim and jump inside, which they usually have to stand still for. if raiders pay attention cannon firing can be stopped before it even begins. Also, when FC come in from the cannon the location where they land is ridiculously easy to pinpoint at fire at. Also, it cannot bring entire swarms at one time, so if you cant defend from one FC dropping in then im sorry you're just bad :/
Tunnels:
(Tunnels are also on the FC side of the map making it easier for them to get to the flag wthout being noticed) actually *fix there are tunnels on both side of the map, including a raider tunnel to the flag. sure it is not possible to go completely underground the whole way after mid but the aboveground way is far from any fc who would try to shoot you unless they are on mid, which is still really easy to defend from
Waterfall:
Also on the FC side which is a very fast way up the the mountain top or the tunnels. Unfortunately as I already said it's ridiculously easy to cross over to it from the raider side, only takes about ~5 seconds of extra swimming time. Not only that, but an actual strategy which I have never seen any raiders smart enough to use is just rush to the waterfall then use the tunnels as an undisturbed way to get to main.
When it comes to FC's skill with guns
Most of them are average. Don't get me wrong there are a few really good gun fighters in FC, but the majority are just OK. I considered myslef above adverage when I was in the during november december(i still wasn't that good) and rcl traings were a joke they were so easy. Even though you werent actually that good shadow lmao (no ofense).
We also raided tra a lot during the time i was in it(keep in mind the fort was really unfair) and fc would take hours to win there if they actually won. The reason it would take so long is that it takes a TRA less than 15 seconds to reach the base while an average walk takes a full minute. This gives the entire TRA team four lives to kill all the FC in the base. This makes holding the base ridiculously hard. Even with the base that was unfair TRA should have preformed way better(don't take me wrong there were still usually 3 or 4 good fighters but not enough to make up for the rest).
Not trying to make enemies with other clans I like quite a few members, and I am not trying to start a big flame war just up for debate( will end in flame war most likely)
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"I compared the skill of the adverage fc member to the adverage wij or uaf memeber. FC's best 10-20 is better than UAF's 10-20 but overall UAF has more adverage gfs then FC"
this is purely opinion and is pretty hard to prove or disprove.
"I don't remeber you being at any you may have been at one or two. I vividly remeber 4 or 5 raids going on at tra's fort that would last a good 2 hours"
i was at a ton of our raids on TRA, lol
4 or 5 really isn't that bad especially for all of the raids we had on TRA, especially if those raids still ended up in wins. other clans have spent longer at more fair bases (vak's 12 hour raid or whatever it was on SHI)
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ShadowSTRJoin Date: 2010-07-08
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"I also think you're mentally sick because you had like 50 spelling errors and you randomly brought this up in August 2015. "
>typed all of that on my phone
>points out it was a topic when i left and isn't now
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Sorry that was my Dog Delta hes crazy. |
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ShadowSTRJoin Date: 2010-07-08
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"Most of them are average. Don't get me wrong there are a few really good gun fighters in FC, but the majority are just OK. I considered myslef above adverage when I was in the during november december(i still wasn't that good) and rcl traings were a joke they were so easy. Even though you werent actually that good shadow lmao (no ofense)."
I know I wasn't that good and stated it but traings were still extremely easy and I managed to get assault wolf |
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Damn froyo Delta is crayZ |
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Yea he has behavioral issues Imo. |
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time for delta to be put down D:
I'm all about dat frost lyfe |
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ShadowSTRJoin Date: 2010-07-08
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08-09-2015 01:02 PM
"I compared the skill of the adverage fc member to the adverage wij or uaf memeber. FC's best 10-20 is better than UAF's 10-20 but overall UAF has more adverage gfs then FC"
this is purely opinion and is pretty hard to prove or disprove.
>this is hard to prove and makes it hard to debate but i would put my money on uaf if you selected a random group of usf and a random group of fc in a warzone i would place my money on uaf. I wouldn't expect you to think the same though being in fc
"I don't remeber you being at any you may have been at one or two. I vividly remeber 4 or 5 raids going on at tra's fort that would last a good 2 hours"
i was at a ton of our raids on TRA, lol
>i just don't remember you being the ones i was at, not saying you didn't raid with fc
4 or 5 really isn't that bad especially for all of the raids we had on TRA, especially if those raids still ended up in wins. other clans have spent longer at more fair bases (vak's 12 hour raid or whatever it was on SHI)
> my point is that cc shouldn't have a problem with a group incompetent as tra, the vak v tgi is different( i was at a few of them) and they lasted a lot longer but the skill of tgi and vak was fairly close at the time |
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ShadowSTRJoin Date: 2010-07-08
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@ jamin
It's hard to reply to yours because I am on my phone and the copy/past sucks but
"However, bows are quite similar to guns in the fact that even if someone is amazing at them a 2v1 is still pretty easy to win against them. A skill level at the point of FC isn't required, as most of the time FC is outnumbered by at least 3 to 1.. "
FC is outnumbered most of the time, but fc also has huge advantages( not saying a fort should be 100% fair defenders should have some advantages). A lot of FC can 2v1 domeone who has only used a bow a small ammount of times. Midpoint is hard to defend for raiders because of how easy it is to shoot it from fc cliffs which are way higher than riders
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VorktuJoin Date: 2012-06-15
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FC dominated Vaktovia
With the amount of raid wins they got they obviously weren't horrible with guns |
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you can defend from those cliffs easily, and i meant raiders can 2v1 fc pretty easily. ws sometimes need to be 3v1'd if the raiders r really bad |
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