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No one wants to wait for 15 members to appear and pre-pm you an hour ahead of time to raid you to possibly win.
The balanced fort idea is fine but it's redundant once again to balance it based off of numbers, even a fair fort shouldn't exceed a 2:1 ratio in minimum amount of defenders.
I already understand your concept and I am telling you exactly why it's redundant I doubt you will have many raiders too. |
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Sapun2000Join Date: 2009-08-29
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Guys, it's perfectly fine to have different opinions. |
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A clan can't rally 10-15 for a 6vs6 or an 8vs8 10vs10 or 20vs20 but they can rally 18-12? or 12-6? Really now? Interesting. |
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15vs15* not 20vs20 in my case because the server limit is 30. |
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how in the world would a "fair" fight even be fun
lmao i'd rather be outnumbered 2:1 or 3:1 then have an even fight |
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I dont even know anymore man, do what you want but I highly doubt you will get raiders that will ever follow your rules which will lead to no defenses and then your base being useless.
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How would a fair fight be fun? Well when you rid of the unfairness. It gives you the opportunity to make an elaborate base, something fun to raid. Mine for instance is filled with little passage ways, cramped hallways to fire down(some people like that), giant open fields to rush, take and hold. Vents to run through that'll lead to the terminal blah blah. Plenty of things to make a base fun to raid and still be fair. |
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@Steam
There are literally basic rules
-don't exploit blah blah
-please give warning and set a raider/defender limit
That's it. Nothing more. |
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what's wrong with being outnumbered anyway |
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Because if you're outnumbered 18-12 or some ridiculous 2:1 or 3:1 ratio in a fair fort it's literally impossible win with if you've done the fort right.
I have more fun in elaborate bases with fair settings. |
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well no base that is 100% fair is elaborate because it has to have everything even
an 18:12 defense sounds exciting long and fruitful to gloat about lol |
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12 vs 18? that's easy
2:1 or 3:1 ratios? that's going to be difficult, but it'll be fun
forts typically have chokepoints that defenders hold first and raiders have to breach through those, and usually the choke points are hard to get through
just because the defenders are outnumbered in a fair fort, doesn't mean they will lose and they have no chance of winning
not to mention being outnumbered is challenging which makes it fun, even numbers are so boring |
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LoveydovyJoin Date: 2009-05-30
Post Count: 12397 |
but being outnumbered is fun
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well no base that is 100% fair is elaborate because it has to have everything even
---Not true at all. You're the one that talked about each side having its separate advantages. And like I said it works with the ratio thing, this side has X amount of advantages and this side has Y amount of advantages to balance the X advantages. |
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I swear it's like arguing with a brick wall that can't comprehend concepts.
12 vs 18? that's easy
--Not in a fair base.
2:1 or 3:1 ratios? that's going to be difficult, but it'll be fun
-- Losing isn't fun. Which is why raiders like to argue they want a 2:1 ratio against you.
forts typically have chokepoints that defenders hold first and raiders have to breach through those, and usually the choke points are hard to get through
--The entire point of my argument would be at my base. Which does not work like that.
just because the defenders are outnumbered in a fair fort, doesn't mean they will lose and they have no chance of winning
--If you do the base correct. Or like mine.
not to mention being outnumbered is challenging which makes it fun, even numbers are so boring
--To you. |
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plus, what happens when a raider or a defender leaves? it'll be 14 vs 15, which is uneven
do you have to pause the raid? that's going to be horrible, because i guarantee you that there's going to be people leaving in and out all the time |
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If a raider leaves mid-raid that's not my problem I wouldn't complain if someone from my team had to leave. |
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so active clans have to suffer because inactive clans dont make their base a challenge.
just make your base a challenge.
make the server size like 22
6-8 for official
and you'll still have fun |
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"12 vs 18? that's easy
--Not in a fair base.
2:1 or 3:1 ratios? that's going to be difficult, but it'll be fun
-- Losing isn't fun. Which is why raiders like to argue they want a 2:1 ratio against you.
forts typically have chokepoints that defenders hold first and raiders have to breach through those, and usually the choke points are hard to get through
--The entire point of my argument would be at my base. Which does not work like that.
just because the defenders are outnumbered in a fair fort, doesn't mean they will lose and they have no chance of winning
--If you do the base correct. Or like mine.
not to mention being outnumbered is challenging which makes it fun, even numbers are so boring
--To you."
1. 12 vs 18 is easy, even in fair bases lol
2. do you really think being outnumbered 2:1 or 3:1 means you automatically lose? i've been in defenses where we were outnumbered heavily and we still won, and yeah it was in a fort in which a lot of people considered fair
3. o ok. how is ur fort going to work though o_o
4. you realize a group with really bad skill can outnumber you 3:1 but you'd still win anyway because your group is better than the raiders? even in a fair fort?
5. more like to a ton of people lol |
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"so active clans have to suffer because inactive clans dont make their base a challenge.
--I'd assume and plan to see my clan as active if I do my job correct so that isn't an issue on my part.
just make your base a challenge.
--I have a challenging base and a fair base, I'm still going to use the fair one.
make the server size like 22
--30
6-8 for official
--15-15
and you'll still have fun"
--My way is still fun. |
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1. 12 vs 18 is easy, even in fair bases lol
Again, not really.
2. do you really think being outnumbered 2:1 or 3:1 means you automatically lose? i've been in defenses where we were outnumbered heavily and we still won, and yeah it was in a fort in which a lot of people considered fair
Wouldn't meet my standards of fair most likely, I obviously wouldn't complain raiding there. But I'd do a better job on my own fort.
3. o ok. how is ur fort going to work though o_o
It's a series of check points, each side starts with an equal amount and it's a push and pull battle. Inside. Hallways, vents, overhanging walkways, blah blah.
4. you realize a group with really bad skill can outnumber you 3:1 but you'd still win anyway because your group is better than the raiders? even in a fair fort?
That's the fault of the clan not the base.
5. more like to a ton of people lol
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KimxiaJoin Date: 2015-02-02
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so active clans have to suffer because inactive clans dont make their base a challenge.
just make your base a challenge.
make the server size like 22
6-8 for official
and you'll still have fun
Active clans don't suffer if you raid another active clan or make multiple servers. And then again, it doesn't need to be strictly even 10 v 10 or 20 v 20. The ratio just shouldn't be drastically uneven at a certain point. For example, a 7 v 30? Yes that's extreme and unnecessary. At that point, what benefit even is there for an active clan to raid an inactive clan? That was a dumb statement to make to be honest. The ratio shouldn't exceed 2:3. |
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"Again, not really."
just set up some guys to guard the chokepoints, some to guard the terminal, and set up some guys on different positions depending on the situation of the raid and the structure of the place
"Wouldn't meet my standards of fair most likely, I obviously wouldn't complain raiding there. But I'd do a better job on my own fort."
when i was talking about me defending in like 3:1 or 2:1 ratios in a fair fort, it was at topixa I. and a ton of people consider it fair
"That's the fault of the clan not the base."
hmm good point ok |
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"Active clans don't suffer if you raid another active clan or make multiple servers. And then again, it doesn't need to be strictly even 10 v 10 or 20 v 20. The ratio just shouldn't be drastically uneven at a certain point. For example, a 7 v 30? Yes that's extreme and unnecessary. At that point, what benefit even is there for an active clan to raid an inactive clan? That was a dumb statement to make to be honest. The ratio shouldn't exceed 2:3."
you know, you could have specified that in the OP. because i think everyone thought that you were talking about flat even numbers :\ |
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ust set up some guys to guard the chokepoints, some to guard the terminal, and set up some guys on different positions depending on the situation of the raid and the structure of the place
--That'd be using the ratio system again. You have a set amount of advantages for X and a set amount for Y to balance out X. I have passages and certain overhangs for each team that balance out in different areas, it's still a fair base.
when i was talking about me defending in like 3:1 or 2:1 ratios in a fair fort, it was at topixa I. and a ton of people consider it fair
--I'm not overly fond of Topixa not because of its fairness or not I just didn't enjoy raiding there at all. |
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