ZeveIJoin Date: 2012-09-29
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Close mindedness at its finest. |
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AcidwareJoin Date: 2013-03-03
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You didn't really refute it you just said it was close minded tho |
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AardbeienJoin Date: 2010-12-19
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drake and god ah the memories
"i remember when you were the meme forumer of the day..." ~Jumble |
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ZeveIJoin Date: 2012-09-29
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Because it is, I don't need to refute it.... It should be pretty self explanatory. |
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marshsayJoin Date: 2008-07-21
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if god can come from nothing, why can't the universe? |
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therefore an egg cannot come from a chicken before it exists
and a chicken cannot come from an egg that doesn't exist
your point is moot
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"You didn't really refute it you just said it was close minded tho"
How you perceive and define "existence" determines the validity of the statement.
For example, do you perceive a set of molecules with a cardinality lesser than one-hundred as being nothingness?
If so, then the molecules can "exist" in their own respective "space" without existing in your clearly defined object space. |
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Well in theory at some point in history something had to come from nothing.
Everything probably has not existed forever.
So I see no reason why God is any more far-fetched than the universe just coming into existence.
"In sweet music is such art" - King Henry VIII |
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I don't really see a reason to believe one over the other tbh |
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ZeveIJoin Date: 2012-09-29
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Or maybe the universe has always been here... |
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the universe hasn't always existed, because the big bang had to happen sooner or later, if that's the method of creation you support
you should really check yourself before you wreck yourself
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"Or maybe the universe has always been here..."
So if the universe could have always been here that why couldn't have God always been here?
"In sweet music is such art" - King Henry VIII |
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he's trying to think of a comeback
but he can't
his logic is moot
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marshsayJoin Date: 2008-07-21
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@stormersoul
maybe in fact you're the one who should check yourself, existence was here before the big bang, which is misleadingly named, since everything didn't just come from nothing during the big bang, a very dense pocket of reality simply expanded quickly |
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ZeveIJoin Date: 2012-09-29
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I'm just throwing out possibilities and explanations. And why couldn't it have been aliens that created us? It'd be just as likely. |
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I believe the universe sprung into being five seconds ago. Our memories and perceptions of a time before five seconds ago are only illusions caused by its appearence. |
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"maybe in fact you're the one who should check yourself, existence was here before the big bang, which is misleadingly named, since everything didn't just come from nothing during the big bang, a very dense pocket of reality simply expanded quickly"
Actually, no one can truly prove there was any reality before this. There is no information to support this. I recommend ending this argument because no one truly knows.
"maybe in fact you're the one who should check yourself" ~ you
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marshsayJoin Date: 2008-07-21
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"Actually, no one can truly prove there was any reality before this. There is no information to support this. I recommend ending this argument because no one truly knows."
Yes they can! You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. The Big Bang was an expansion, not a sudden explosion into existence. The universe was a tiny, dense, and hot point before the expansion, and it's possible this is part of an infinite cycle where the universe expands and then contracts before expanding again. |
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Finished.
Unless I'm referenced to any of the studies you posted, I will not and can not believe you.
Sorry.
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zevel, what caused the big bang? |
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"therefore an egg cannot come from a chicken before it exists
and a chicken cannot come from an egg that doesn't exist
your point is moot"
Alright, let us try another technique...
Suppose that rather than the Egg --> Chicken/ Chicken --> Egg model, we are dealing with an Animal One --> New Egg --> Animal Two model.
Animal One represents the origin species. The New Egg represents the unborn "evolved" state of the animal's offspring, and Animal Two represents the actual evolved animal itself.
If we think in terms of evolution, the "Chicken" is nothing more than an offspring animal with greater genetic variation than its predecessors. |
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true, god just popping into existence doesn't make any more or less sense than the universe doing that
but it's the rest of the story that makes no sense for religion
...just like 7th grade |
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actually, I won't argue that
it's just that I hadn't considered that type of logic, therefore you can have it that way and still be correct
just in general, the average dude won't think that hard over it and just go with his opinion
so
kudos to you sir
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ZeveIJoin Date: 2012-09-29
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@dogboy
That's the wonderful thing about science, it always looks for explanations using the scientific method to get an answer.
So I'll proudly say "I don't know, more research is needed." Instead of "I don't know, therefore God." |
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LMFAO THIS THREAD
#code skylar diggins |
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