WannaBetJoin Date: 2011-01-01
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there's no dispute to it.
toberdam did not want any regulations in the war, as wars had no regulations in the distant past, and settled on one victory-decisive term: the last remaining clan in the conflict wins. it was his decision to have an endurance war instead of the alternative and vak settled for it too.
vak cheated to provide themselves an advantage
tgi cheated in response
tgi then dropped out of the war.
no excuse me, you don't get to say that it's acceptable for you to drop out of a war because your enemy is cheating when your first decision is to cheat against them as well and continue fighting.
the premise of the war was endurance, vak has endured and you did not despite committing to the same gross actions they did.
everything is decisively documented in this thread by castellian:
https://forum.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=129160123 |
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PyrosanJoin Date: 2015-12-08
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op's primary makes everything he says stupid ignore this thread
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HactedJoin Date: 2010-09-16
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that entire war was stupid and both sides made mistakes
even if it was an endurance war cheating and editing their base was against the war terms |
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there were war terms which you are forgetting about.
vak defeated by: fc(x2), tre, apn, tgi, void, el, uaf |
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WannaBetJoin Date: 2011-01-01
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great argument bro
way to present yourself as someone whose disagreements are factually rooted rather than completely bias and blind |
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show me the regulation agreements they made and lets look through them
and lets also see if it justifies a clan dropping out after it cheats in response rather than before |
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BubsvJoin Date: 2015-12-05
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if VAK was better than TGI and deserved the win, they wouldn't have needed to update SMO to win defenses
they wouldn't have needed to raid for 8+ hours per server just to get a single win after enough TGI defenders had to leave until it was the bare minimum
they would have just beaten us fair and square, but they didn't, because they couldn't, because we were always better than them and proved it time and time again. |
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WannaBetJoin Date: 2011-01-01
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vak didn't deserve to win anything and it didn't play fair, but it did win because the condition was 'remaining in battle the longest' and tgi pulled out AFTER committing to cheating themselves |
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WannaBetJoin Date: 2011-01-01
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but sure if your argument is 'well they did win but they are not better than us because they didn't win fairly!' then ok. that still doesn't change the outcome. |
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GunClassJoin Date: 2014-05-11
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Why don't we just agree with a draw?
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WannaBetJoin Date: 2011-01-01
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because it just isn't one |
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BubsvJoin Date: 2015-12-05
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the point of a war is to prove who is better
TGI whipping VAK for 2 weeks straight until the score was 27-1 while we were on fair terms proved who the better clan was by far. everything after was the direct result of Tober being an idiot for:
1. not claiming victory the minute they updated SMO for the first time
2. coining the term "endurance war" just to hype it up without realizing kids would take it literally and act like endurance wars have been around for ever and they know everything about them. VAK refusing to admit defeat no matter how badly they lose means that technically, we could have been winning 10000-1 and if they never surrendered then by default they couldn't actually lose the war no matter what and that's ridiculous |
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endurance wars existed predominantly before 2013 so you don't even know what you are talking about. almost every war was deregulated and ended when one side would surrender or declare victory over the other. hence final battles were invented and popularized in 2012 to put an end to 'endurance wars'.
the point of war is to prove who is better, but there are victory conditions that play into determining which side is the stronger one. in your conflict against vak, tgi was the one that picked ENDURANCE (not raid score) as its method for determining which clan is better and you lost. that is your own fault for picking endurance instead of raid count. it is your own fault for continuing the war by stooping to their level. it is your own fault for avoiding talks about how each clan should have conducted themselves in the war to later hold them accountable for their actions.
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p3elJoin Date: 2011-06-10
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TGI whipping VAK for 2 weeks straight until the score was 27-1 while we were on fair terms proved who the better clan was by far. everything after was the direct result of Tober being an idiot for:
1. not claiming victory the minute they updated SMO for the first time
2. coining the term "endurance war" just to hype it up without realizing kids would take it literally and act like endurance wars have been around for ever and they know everything about them. VAK refusing to admit defeat no matter how badly they lose means that technically, we could have been winning 10000-1 and if they never surrendered then by default they couldn't actually lose the war no matter what and that's ridiculous
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I see what you're trying to do Wannabet, to just be that one guy that wants to argue everyone when you know deep down that this thread makes zero sense, regardless of how you try to word the conditions or the systems the war provided, here i'll provide an easy, relatable example, everyone on this thread can agree on. Look at the Lance Armstrong disqualifications, he won multiple Gold medals, he carried great pride for future cyclist etc, and made America proud right? But he was using illegal supplements, so he had his rewards REVOKED.
So in this case, the Lance Armstrong is VAK, and they were cheating right? So they're accomplishment/reward is REVOKED.
It's common sense, but I had to put it here before you got this thread to an unnecessary five pages just so you could argue with someone lol.
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your dumb ass top leaders (and I dealt them in our own war so I know that they are dumb asses) picked every unfavorable condition for tgi to win and it slapped them in the face. now their members have the audacity to complain to people about the losing circumstances their own leaders set out for them. your leaders knew exactly what vak is. |
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p3elJoin Date: 2011-06-10
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And its common sense you don't admin abuse, or insert ridiculous weaponry into a base, if you're really trying to vouch that its tobers fault he didn't verify the "unsaid rules of war" in a lego game, I honestly don't even know why people are replying to this thread lol.
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PurgenceJoin Date: 2013-01-27
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RI is dead |
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WannaBetJoin Date: 2011-01-01
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espressos your comment is 80% random crap about me personally and 20% a dumb ass analogy about lance armstrong in the olympics.
roblox wars aren't the Olympics and lance armstrong and his foremost competitor don't settle the terms. |
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i wonder if there will be at least 1 single competent argument from the people who think tgi won |
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p3elJoin Date: 2011-06-10
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I know it's hard to take the truth Wannabet, see how no one here is agreeing with you? See how it happens often? Notice when you make threads that are truthful, and agreeable like the clan system thing, people don't have anything negative to say besides the lazy ones saying it was too hard?
Do you ever get tired stretching topics about a lego games wars, and then not even being able to tell the truth about those lol.
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"i wonder if there will be at least 1 single competent argument from the people who think tgi won"
they say vak cheated
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p3elJoin Date: 2011-06-10
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no one has to make one because this whole thread is complete garbage lol, you type stuff like this just to get an aggravated response from people that get mad from seeing dumbass threads lmao.
you're a sophisticated lazia at this point.
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WannaBetJoin Date: 2011-01-01
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by no one do you mean the former members of tgi and current members of foa?
oh wow what a surprise man
in your argument you compared vak to lance Armstrong and the war to the Olympics.
do you think that makes for a remotely competent rebuttal?
'hey wannabet you're wrong because lance Armstrong didn't win he was a cheater and so vak is lance armstrong'
moron lol |
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"they wouldn't have needed to raid for 8+ hours per server just to get a single win after enough TGI defenders had to leave until it was the bare minimum"
"endurance war"
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