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I'm genuinely curious.
I mean it would be wonderful if we could prototype the brain emulator... with well, a real one.
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HarbyngerJoin Date: 2008-07-06
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mmm
sounds fun
i've tried to force one but I've had no luck for 4 years
or more accurately
if I ever did have one, I don't remember it
idk, I'd just like to try out stuff and all.
kind of uh
hard to program something with limited time for a novelty lol
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"I'm personally convinced that computer science has a lot in common with physics. Both are about how the world works at a rather fundamental level. The difference, of course, is that while in physics you're supposed to figure out how the world is made up, in computer science you create the world. Within the confines of the computer, you're the creator. You get to ultimately control everything that happens. If you're good enough, you can be God."
i'm too lazy to actually write millions of lines of code for a novel project that's not worth 8 years of time lol, especially when the game engine I'm working on just assumes you have a top-of-the-line CPU and a top-of-the-line-GPU, which I can't just get a million of. Plus you need the right socket..... ahhhh
if I could do it in like 1 night that would be great... just something that maybeee, maybe brings back that "funness" i havent had since Skyrim
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HarbyngerJoin Date: 2008-07-06
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ok
i'll admit
i want to be able to do this in order to poke and prod and analyse and whatever what a proper brain emulator would be like... obv. I'm not trying to do mind uploading or anything, just want to make an "I TOLD YOU SO" that deep learning is a stupid idea.
that and I kind of actually want to poke and prod at some stuff about...
well...
emulating whole errr
whole social circles I guess.
yeah that's not weird at all
the advantage is that when it goes south, because it will, you can just pull the plug and it's like nothing ever happened. Right?
Solve my problems like any other problem: If you don't have it, you produce it yourself. In-house. Monetary fees are to be avoided at all costs.
i don't want to write a complex AI complete with a machine body (with springs and mechanical parts and all) and running on a real-time OS. RTOS development is already hard.
(PLUS COSTS!!! $$$$$$!!!!)
Besides, at it's heart, the brain is just another Turing machine... and the main advantage of a Turing machine is that for any Turing machine, it can always emulate any other Turing machine. An ARM can have an x86 virtual machine and vice versa, for example. MIPS can emulate x86... PowerPC can emulate Itanium, and so on.
And importantly, x86 can emulate x86: itself.
Thus, the brain, by definition of being a turing-complete computer, must be able to emulate itself.
wow im hiding deeper problems behind stopgap solutions arent i
Now the real problem is that the brain is a highly parallel - but incredibly slow machine. Thus, we'll have to also emulate the whole human body... the brain still has to do graphics work (yes, your brain does 'graphics' the same way a computer does, the eye doesn't do it.), but we're not recieving light... we're computing and simulating light/physics/sound/etc.
We can make it faster by simply using hardware controllers (ie, ears and eyes) and simply giving them fake signals (which is probably how a lucid dream works in the first place)... but we still have the problem of trying to emulate not one whole human body, but MANY.
I mean the brain only has so much computational power... and it can't be overclocked. Can't really just go into BIOS and raise the clock frequency.
I mean maybe you can... but I wouldn't want to void the warranty :)
Even better if you can attach a debugger or something to these emulated brains... and understand every single step and thought process and everything.
"I'm personally convinced that computer science has a lot in common with physics. Both are about how the world works at a rather fundamental level. The difference, of course, is that while in physics you're supposed to figure out how the world is made up, in computer science you create the world. Within the confines of the computer, you're the creator. You get to ultimately control everything that happens. If you're good enough, you can be God."
-- The Word of God-- i i i i I mean Linus Torvalds' Just for Fun (2001). Yeah, wrong title. Sorry.
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cntkillmeJoin Date: 2008-04-07
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Crime in a nutshell, brought to you by both an edgy and dumb person in 1! |
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Cringe* smh autocorrect |
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HarbyngerJoin Date: 2008-07-06
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i dont follow
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oh
there
ok
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HarbyngerJoin Date: 2008-07-06
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i mean the brain is a turing machine isn't it?
you have an arbitrary amount of memory
and you can read (and implicitly perform an operation)
write
and jump
to any part of all of it
maybe not all equally and without making a mess
BUT YOU CAN DO IT.
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I think it's when you're dreaming but it feels so real, that you can feel everything happening in that dream.
Though I could be wrong. |
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cntkillmeJoin Date: 2008-04-07
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Pretty sure lucid dreaming is when you're concisence when you're dreaming. It's a fun experience, but it's better if you don't get into the habit of lucid dreaming all the time imo |
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cntkillmeJoin Date: 2008-04-07
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I hate iPhones
Your -> you're. Conscious-> conscience like I get that I can't spell but pls |
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It happens when you don't have a life |
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a girl talked to me, so must have been fake :( |
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Well here's a short video about what lucid dreaming is and how you can lucid dream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gbeFOZI3Yg
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HarbyngerJoin Date: 2008-07-06
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ty
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'the advantage is that when it goes south, because it will, you can just pull the plug and it's like nothing ever happened. Right?'
No lasting consequences, no hard this and that, you won't get poked about something stupid for the next 60 years.
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Plus... there's also that thought experiment right:
How in the world does... everyone else work?
I can't think up how that would possibly work... so when you don't know how it would work, well, you test it.
Obviously you can't do that to *real people* right, for obvious legal [str]and mo###########easons.
so this is where virtual machines come in
problem is we dont really have a brain emulator for x86
so
we have to make one
But we also don't know the brain's instruction set very well... nor have any way of trying to emulate the operating system of the brain. We have a tough time trying to move that from neurons --> digital media. Better yet, virtualizing it on itself goes around the problem, because the host copies itself in it's entirety, yes?
so
we have to trap calls, hide them behind something else, and force real hardware (ie, brain during lucid dream) to sort of... copy itself... and run itself? You know what I mean.
Can't really #### ## a debugger to someone else's brain... and relating to their problems is somewhat of a difficult thing when you have nothing to relate it with. If you can't simplify it down to the absolute lowest level, it's pretty hard to get it to be universal everywhere.
????
Kind of sort of like KVM
Linux runs Linux as a part of itself, including a total copy of itself running as a big giant user process on itself.
Thus, you can have a complete and total clone of yourself (effectively a 'fork()') and then mess with the clone all you want.
Make changes, suggest + consider revisions, keep on going.
Perhaps try to emulate and poke and prod at whatever everything else out there has... try to give that to said clone to understand those things better, yes?
It would be even better if someone in the next 15 years figured out a way to get read access to a neural system (ie a brain), so that you could... well, dump a copy of your mind just like you dump a copy of a game ROM.
Then you could get something like a JIT compiler, rewrite said JIT compiler slightly so as to read the whole thing first and then spit out a binary, figure out the brain's instruction set... then way-ahead-of-time compile said clone as an executable on let's say Linux,
Then disassemble it.
Once you have the assembly, you can rewrite it in C, and then from there you can do all sorts of things and have a complete and total understanding of every and anything it could give you.
you could quantify everything
wouldn't that be great?
Reverse engineering yourself?
I mean all I want to do is understand something I don't the only way I know how:
Read the source code.
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HarbyngerJoin Date: 2008-07-06
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Let me make my rambling make sense:
I want to have a lucid dream to better understand the brain and all yeah
So that, as a condition of a lucid dream is that you're basically 'sudoing' or 'rooting' your brain, right? If that makes any sense? You have total control over any and every one of the inputs to the brain, able to control the brain in it's entirety, etc. etc.
The brain is a turing machine, so I want to use the fundamental nature of a turing machine (that for any given turing machine, it can emulate any other turing machine or itself), to emulate a brain (ie, copy/paste the one we already have)
Go through, understand all of it's components and whatever... maybe even give the copy totally different experiences and whatnot so that it is very much a totally different 'person' right? Understand and know everything, without well... knowing everything about it.
We're messing around with a virtual machine, as a result, anything we do have no adverse side effects, other than making the host (ie, the real brain), very very irritated and very very slow.
And from there... welll...
I don't know what I'm trying to say.
The only problem though is, how can the brain emulate something it has no experience actually doing/experiencing/etc. before..?
Maybe even find the right one, I don't need to lower my standards, if none exists... just make one. Maybe I can just well... make... happiness. Something you can share experiences with, someone that gives the gate you stuck on the wall you built around yourself some purpose.
Maybe even do that cheek redding thing.
god i'll just admit I'm lonely and want to solve my problems the only way I know how
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cntkillmeJoin Date: 2008-04-07
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Your attempt at showing off you know basic programming concepts (and how dumb you're making yourself look) shows just how arrogant you are and how little you realize nobody else gives a damn.
Try again, nerd. |
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life is a 7 minute lucid dream |
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