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It's never worked "long term"? Yugoslavia's system worked for decades. The system in the Seychelles has worked for decades. The system in Rojava is currently working (and they're fighting Daesh more effectively than anyone).
Just because the fascists and Stalinists (AKA red fascists) decided to crush Revolutionary Catalonia, and the USSR decided to crush the Free Territory of Ukraine, and the French government decided to crush the Paris Commune militarily, does not mean their economic systems were weak. It means they were unfortunately surrounded by feudalists, fascists, capitalists, and Stalinists. |
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S0VERElGNJoin Date: 2011-12-18
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No one cares.
Anyone who wants communism should be thrown off a bridge. |
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'Decades', yet notice how you decided to skip what I said earlier.
"And NONE of them lasted as long as the capitalist societies that they were up against, economically. "
So by your logic if age is a thing, capitalism stomps your leftist dreamworld.
You are saying that basically in a small isolated area (which again is another reality that won't happen) this somehow works. No it does not work because on a large scale it will fail because people will start starving and economically it will be held back in terms of advancement.
If you just look at how Cuba's technological advances are after being isolated by the US you'd understand what I mean.
You are creating a false reality to try to implement a system that is bound to fail against any opposing economic system nearby.
Guardian Units of Nations,Leader~Scar~
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So by your logic, monarchism and feudalism are better because they lasted longer? Would you be saying the same thing you are now approximately two-hundred or three-hundred years ago, but replacing the role of socialism with capitalism, and the role of capitalism with feudalism?
"Liberal capitalist representative democracy will never work! It's only worked in small isolated areas like the United States and France! Feudalism has lasted for thousands of years, why would you want to change anything, peasant?"
"Socialism will never work! It's only worked in small isolated areas like Rojava and Revolutionary Catalonia! Capitalism has lasted for thousands of years, why would you want to change anything, prole?" |
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"I had dropped more or less by chance into the only community of any size in Western Europe where political consciousness and disbelief in capitalism were more normal than their opposites. Up [here one] was among tens of thousands of people, mainly though not entirely of working-class origin, all living at the same level and mingling on terms of equality. In theory it was perfect equality, and even in practice it was not far from it. There is a sense in which it would be true to say that one was experiencing a foretaste of Socialism, by which I mean that the prevailing mental atmosphere was that of Socialism. Many of the normal motives of civilised life– [snobbiness], money-grubbing, fear of the boss, etc.– had simply ceased to exist. The ordinary class-division of society had disappeared to an extent that is almost unthinkable in the money-tainted air of England; there was no one there except the peasants and ourselves, and no one owned anyone else as his master."
- Orwell, "Homage to Catalonia" |
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S0VERElGNJoin Date: 2011-12-18
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Again, anyone who wants communism can have it when they hit the ground after being thrown out of a helicopter. |
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"So by your logic, monarchism and feudalism are better because they lasted longer? Would you be saying the same thing you are now approximately two-hundred or three-hundred years ago, but replacing the role of socialism with capitalism, and the role of capitalism with feudalism?"
Just so you know
The difference is, dictatorships can work depending on how the dictatorship is being ran, it just usually doesn't last long term because people will overthrow their leader if that system isn't working. Which has happened throughout history so no I am not claiming that, I'm saying with capitalistic systems no country (besides those on a capitalistic system) has advanced further and done more for the current period of time than the economic powerhouse which is capitalism. Things will grow out of something if it doesn't work, which Communism grows out into about 50 different things because it's never 'truly communist' because this false reality will NEVER exist with humans running it. You'd have to be a sheep for this to even work and individual rights would be nonexistent.
Capitalism outperforms communism on every playing field besides your feelings.
And just so you know, Dictatorships work in areas that tend to be less advanced and civilized. The Middle East being an example of that. If they had 'democracy' for example, they'd elect a Dictator.
Guardian Units of Nations,Leader~Scar~ |
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"i'll thro u outa helicpters if u disagre wit my economic!!"
Creative! |
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I don't see why you would want a society held back for the few when it could advance for the many.
It's no different than the religious nut jobs who want to hold back science because it's 'against their religion'.
Your feelings are something you can't expect to be applied to a real world economic system when human nature will just eat you alive if you lay down for it. Nobody is going to pick you up by yourself.
If someone has their mouth shut and won't eat, then yes they should starve.
Guardian Units of nations,leader~Scar~ |
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By the way, the "helicopters" meme comes from the fascist Pinochet regime, which was established by the CIA because they were afraid Allende's socialist ideas were threatening capitalism in South America. |
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Scar, I really have no reason to further argue with you. I've given countless examples of functional socialist societies but regardless you continue, like a broken record. "IT WILL NEVER WORK! IT WILL NEVER WORK! IT WILL NEVER WORK! IT WILL NEVER WORK!" |
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I'm not a fan of the CIA because of the illegal things they do and they have way to much power which is in direct contradiction to the constitution.
However they probably got involved because they didn't want to see millions of more people to die under the falsehood of communism.
Guardian Units of Nations,Leader~Scar~ |
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Maybe if you'd listened and looked up that video I asked you to, you'd know Allende improved conditions in Chile tremendously and wasn't anything like Stalin. If anyone, the CIA's replacement, Pinochet was more like Stalin than Allende was. |
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You keep citing these countries that got consumed by either their neighboring countries
(because they clearly weren't superior than their counterparts thus another reason why they failed) or just ceased to exist.
I will keep saying it will fail because human nature will lead the the fail of any system that doesn't have checks and balances.
In this wonderland you are citing, you aren't understanding that the only way you'd even be able to do something like this would be by force.
Capitalism is the most free system out there. You can start from nothing and become rich, and in a communist country you could start with everyone and lose it all to someone who refuses to contribute to society.
Guardian Units of Nations,Leader~Scar~ |
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Capitalism is the most free system out there! Which is why it has to forcibly crush any and all freer societies than it to maintain itself! |
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I don't see why you are comparing fascism which is what Pinochet was to capitalism. It makes you wonder how successful it really could have been under a capitalist system.
Guardian Units of Nations,Leader~Scar~ |
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"Capitalism is the most free system out there! Which is why it has to forcibly crush any and all freer societies than it to maintain itself!"
They get crushed because they are economically weak and ineffective. The Soviet Union is an example of this.
Oh wait I forgot.
BUT ITS OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN BUT YOUR DUMB SYSTEM COLLAPSES
BUT ITS OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN BUT YOUR DUMB SYSTEM COLLAPSES
BUT ITS OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN BUT YOUR DUMB SYSTEM COLLAPSES
BUT ITS OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN BUT YOUR DUMB SYSTEM COLLAPSES
BUT ITS OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN BUT YOUR DUMB SYSTEM COLLAPSES
BUT ITS OKAY BECAUSE IT WASN'T REAL SOCIALISM SO YOU TRY AGAIN BUT YOUR DUMB SYSTEM COLLAPSES
*repeat*
Guardian Units of Nations,Leader~Scar~
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Why would the Soviet Union want to crush the Ukraine Free Territory if they were both the same type of socialist in your view?
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"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power"
- Benito Mussolini |
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I'm guessing it's in your antifa membership book to declare capitalism as fascism now when you tried to push Pinochet as being a capitalist icon.
I want you to understand that there is *no peaceful way* you could even switch to your dreamland without it being through force, death and destruction which communism is known for.
The reason they consumed it is because they considered it being more beneficial to them, which is what human nature does. If it sees it benefits from something, it will generally take that solution. Having this falsehood of that "nah they wouldn't do that" is asinine.
Of course you can have 'laws' in place for such things but if you have someone in control then good luck having that said person not abusing their powers.
Guardian Units of Nations,Leader~Scar~ |
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Capitalism does not equal fascism, but
Fascism equals capitalism.
Understand? This is why the USSR was not socialist. Because they were fascists draped in red. |
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"Capitalism does not equal fascism, but
Fascism equals capitalism."
So I don't see why you are trying to say that I, being a capitalist am somehow a fascist because I support capitalism??
That's like saying this
"Death does not equal communism, but communism equals death."
See I can make witty quotes too! Haha!
The USSR had very many socialist policies and the reason they failed was NOT because of them becoming capitalistic, it was because they were shutdown economically because their people started to starve.
The cold war bankrupted them and collapsed their economy. They were unable to keep up with the United States. I'm starting to wonder if you ever even studied the Cold War.
Guardian Units of Nations,Leader~Scar~ |
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You're not a fascist because you're a capitalist.
I'll tell you why you're a fascist, you bootlicker. Allow me to point to the post where you apologized for the CIA overthrowing Allende, a man who improved Chile immensely, because they wanted to protect capitalist interests.
You don't particularly care that they shoved Pinochet, a cruel and callous fascist dictator into power who terrorized the Chilean people for decades, because "uh they were probably trying to prevent the terrors of communism!".
At least I'll denounce the Soviet Union, but you'd rather take capitalism at its worst than socialism at its best, wouldn't you? |
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marshsayJoin Date: 2008-07-21
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c-calm down lads |
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spIashesJoin Date: 2010-07-01
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Communism sounds good on paper, but will never work because people are power-hungry |
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