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"Topic: Supposed decaying of the SF community"
Where is "the thought" in the topic line? Don't blame me for failing to untangle your own inconsistencies. But ok let's run the course again because "the thought" does make this a little more complicated. Rather than trying to prove something as true or false, you want to convince us that we should or shouldn't do something. That makes this a little more complicated but the essay's still monumentally stupid.
"The very thought of this I find to be unsubstantiated"
Except that you said the SF clan community is decaying. So actually you agree with "the thought" because it's a "thought" that you yourself have.
"the thought of a 'decaying' of the SF clan community"
This is the "thought" you specifically refer to. You can't switch the "thought" to something else. This is the one in your thesis. This phrase is pretty straightforwards.
"People continue to express that this is so without any real reason or need"
Here's a reason: Because it's true. Yes, we don't need to talk about the decay of sword clans, but there are a great many things we don't "need" to do, such as writing useless essays but we choose to do these things for reasons apart from necessity.
"Even so, what good will complaining do to mend this supposed problem?"
Even if this is true, it does not support your thesis. Your thesis only refers to the "thought" of a fact. People can express this thought for reasons apart from complaining. And even for those who do complain, they may have ulterior motives besides doing "good".
The second paragraph is a mash of counter-arguments against reasons behind the "thought". But this ultimately does little to support your thesis because the "thought" is correct and there are a multitude of reasons to express and substantiate the "thought" besides the ones you have listed.
To go over the counter-arguments...
"There is no real way to substantiate this claim [that people's preference of guns leads them to avoid sword clans]. How will you ask this to the MILLIONS of people that are on this game?"
It's true that we cannot prove with absolute certainty the preferences of the Roblox community, or more specifically the subset that takes an interest in clans. However, we need not ask "millions" of people to gather evidence. Simply look at the front page and start flipping pages until you see a single sword game. Compare the number of people playing gun games to the number of people playing sword games. The Roblox community as a whole appears to prefer guns by a huge margin.
"A third trail of thought is: 'sword clans don't take skill, therefore, they aren't good'"
Agreed that this trail of thought is incorrect. As stated before, this doesn't do much to help your thesis but hey it's something.
As for toxicity within sword clans...
"Well, to certain extent, I can agree with this, sadly"
Sure, you go on to say that toxicity within sword and guns clans are equal, but that's irrelevant here whether it's true or not. You admit the toxicity argument has "some base".
"So, to conclude, a grand majority of these so-called 'arguments' I have proved and have concluded are baseless and illogical"
Decay of sword clans: You say this is true
Guns > Swords argument: Roblox community appears to vastly prefer guns
Swords don't take skill: Baseless and illogical
Toxicity: Has "some base"
So one out of the four arguments is "baseless and illogical". Hardly a "grand majority".
"The Sword Fighting Community is alive and it is growing"
If decay and growth are mutually exclusive, then you've contradicted yourself.
If they are not, then this statement is irrelevant. You'll have to prove that the growth outweighs the decay before this can hold water.
"People need to stop complaining if they see it wrong and help it if they think something is going wrong"
No. They don't "need" to do this.
"Whining and claiming things that are untrue won't do anything to help"
Irrelevant for reasons already stated here.
"Grand figures like Gandhi, Dr. King, Lenin, etc. accomplished what they did by doing, not whining."
Just going to point out these people did whine quite a bit and accomplished things because of it LOL
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SyrnixJoin Date: 2016-09-23
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Nah not really sen, I just dont like you . :/ |
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My God, you can't read.
What does the word "supposed" mean, genius?
sup·posed
səˈpōzd,səˈpōzəd/
adjective
adjective: supposed
generally assumed or believed to be the case, but not necessarily so.
"people admire their supposed industriousness"
And with this one answer of mine, I disproved arguments 1, 2, 3##5##7##8##n# ###f#yours.
7 down the drain already because you lack comprehension skills.
Now, for the remaining ones:
6 - You mention that the idea here is to take in consideration "or more specifically the subset that takes an interest in clans", I quote. You base your argument on that people in the main games tab enjoy more FPS games than sword games. The majority of the people that play front page games have NOTHING to do with clans. What is your point here? You completely veered of what you needed to say.
4 - Oh, my. So, let me get this straight. Nevermind that sword clans can rally up to 40, right? Nevermind the general interest that exists in sword clans, right? Nevermind that sword clans (compared to the activity of gun clans) usually have better activity quorums, yeah? Nevermind that sword clans wars are dominating C&G's day-to-day talk. Wow, sword clans are REALLY decaying, huh? There's a lot more to say where that came from but I don't need to state them all to make my point.
8/7 - I SPECIFICALLY said that all clan organizations have toxicity. Again, can you READ?
9 - "Supposed" "Supposed" "Supposed". My ENTIRE essay speaks CONTRARY to the idea of sword clans decaying (except for the part where I make the very logical statement that all organizations decay from their starting point, this always happens no matter what it is). I answered this one because I am getting annoyed by how many follies you've stated just because you probably just highlighted parts of my essay and barely read the entire wording or just didn't comprehend it.
10 - No. People NEED to address the problem if they're going to constantly complain about it. If they don't do anything, they are being counter-productive, only whining like 5 year olds. The "need" is to be productive.
11 - Relevant for reasons already stated here.
12 - Oh my God, you have no decency for even great figures like these people. Tell me, who is Vladimir Lenin, huh? And don't look it up on Google. You probably don't even know who the great Lenin is. And EVEN if they whined, their actions outweigh their supposed whining by a LANDSLIDE.
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My God, you can't read.
What does the word "supposed" mean, genius?
sup·posed
səˈpōzd,səˈpōzəd/
adjective
adjective: supposed
generally assumed or believed to be the case, but not necessarily so.
"people admire their supposed industriousness"
And with this one answer of mine, I disproved arguments 1, 2, 3, fife, seffen, 8 and noinfe of yours.
7 down the drain already because you lack comprehension skills.
Now, for the remaining ones:
6 - You mention that the idea here is to take in consideration "or more specifically the subset that takes an interest in clans", I quote. You base your argument on that people in the main games tab enjoy more FPS games than sword games. The majority of the people that play front page games have NOTHING to do with clans. What is your point here? You completely veered of what you needed to say.
4 - Oh, my. So, let me get this straight. Nevermind that sword clans can rally up to 40, right? Nevermind the general interest that exists in sword clans, right? Nevermind that sword clans (compared to the activity of gun clans) usually have better activity quorums, yeah? Nevermind that sword clans wars are dominating C&G's day-to-day talk. Wow, sword clans are REALLY decaying, huh? There's a lot more to say where that came from but I don't need to state them all to make my point.
8/7 - I SPECIFICALLY said that all clan organizations have toxicity. Again, can you READ?
9 - "Supposed" "Supposed" "Supposed". My ENTIRE essay speaks CONTRARY to the idea of sword clans decaying (except for the part where I make the very logical statement that all organizations decay from their starting point, this always happens no matter what it is). I answered this one because I am getting annoyed by how many follies you've stated just because you probably just highlighted parts of my essay and barely read the entire wording or just didn't comprehend it.
10 - No. People NEED to address the problem if they're going to constantly complain about it. If they don't do anything, they are being counter-productive, only whining like 5 year olds. The "need" is to be productive.
11 - Relevant for reasons already stated here.
12 - Oh my God, you have no decency for even great figures like these people. Tell me, who is Vladimir Lenin, huh? And don't look it up on Google. You probably don't even know who the great Lenin is. And EVEN if they whined, their actions outweigh their supposed whining by a LANDSLIDE.
Educate yourself and read more before you a mockery of yourself, God. |
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Syrnix/Cow, I stopped liking you when you were planning to instigate a "rebellion" in a group in www.roblox.com.
Seriously, do you take this game so seriously that you would attempt to instigate a rebellion?
That is just sad.
And the rebellion attempt was demolished before it could even happen. Even sadder.
And to still hold ME to blame for this just shows how self-centered you are.
Glad I kicked you out.
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a_foxJoin Date: 2012-08-09
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'These clans attract people and are active, even more so than many gun clans.'
fear and rat? members? activity? pffft, youre right, what a joke.
sf activity > gun activity any day
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"than many" "than many" "than many". Another one that can't read.
I wasn't referring to EVERY clan out there.
Jesus Christ, where did reading comprehension go in this generation? |
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Bump, give some real opinions! |
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zman250Join Date: 2011-01-20
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glory
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SyrnixJoin Date: 2016-09-23
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Sen, if I send you my noodles, can I come back in just like Esp, and Tunez did? And how Lura got CO? (No offense to you Lura <3) |
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Here's what I assume to be the thesis.
"There is a sort of viral disease running through the body of the clanning community in which the virus itself is the thought of a 'decaying' of the SF clan community."
Defining the word "Supposed" does not change the meaning of this thesis. Only on point 1 did I use anything involving the "Supposed" line. Typically the topic and the thesis statement are two different things fyi.
In order to apply the word "Supposed" onto points 2, 3, fife, seffen, 8 and noinfe you will need to concede that you mistakenly put your thesis in the topic line.
"The majority of the people that play front page games have NOTHING to do with clans"
Even if this is true (probably is), it isn't saying much. It only takes a little over 50% to get a majority. Also, a larger sampling of the Roblox population is still somewhat useful. If the average Roblox player prefers guns to swords, this can be used as support for the Guns > Swords argument. It isn't the strongest support but it's certainly more than nothing.
"Nevermind the general interest that exists in sword clans, right? [...]"
Will accept these observations as soon as a more scientific study is done. How do we know you aren't suffering from confirmation bias?
"I SPECIFICALLY said that all clan organizations have toxicity."
Yes. Yes you did. If they all have toxicity, then by extension sword clans do as well. This is ultimately an essay about swords, not guns. So the status of guns is irrelevant unless we're talking about the Guns > Swords argument. The toxicity argument need not include non-sword clans at all.
"My ENTIRE essay speaks CONTRARY to the idea of sword clans decaying (except for the part where I make the very logical statement that all organizations decay from their starting point, this always happens no matter what it is)"
So... are they decaying or not decaying? Pick one. If all organizations decay from their starting point, then this applies to sword clans. Meaning that they're decaying. I'll keep spitting your "logical statement" back at you until you recant it or clarify your position to make it non-contradictory with the essay.
"The 'need' is to be productive."
Subjective. Not everyone shares your personal philosophy.
"And EVEN if they whined, their actions outweigh their supposed whining by a LANDSLIDE."
They did whine. That much is historical fact. Whining is in-of-itself an action so there's nothing surprising about actions outweighing whining. Look up the definition of action since you're so keen on semantics. |
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ObscuritiJoin Date: 2010-11-25
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hail tds
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Syrnix/Cow:
You are so mad.
That's all I'm going to say.
You think that they send me noodles to get back into KoA and you're so wrong. And Lura got her rank by passing through the ranks and earning it.
Your suppositions that I am corrupt are baseless.
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Shadow, I personally give up on you.
You see, the cat has four legs. But you look for the fifth one. I don't get what your need to just not make yourself understand my points is. By the way, I can put my thesis sentence wherever I want, genius. I put it in the beginning because I wanted to. |
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That's part of what I'm going to say.*
sent me noo...* |
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InferveroJoin Date: 2017-02-11
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Why does this get bumped every single day?
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Let me start debunking your "arguments" again.
Final time I'm going to do this, I hope you educate yourself.
1. Correct.
2. No, it debunks all the aforementioned arguments 1, 2, 3, fife, seffen, 8 and noinfe because you based them all around the idea you thinking I meant the sword community was decaying when I CLEARLY stated "supposed". No, what the hell? The thesis statement will always be the most clear indication of the topic, genius. How can the main idea and topic differ? Jesus, you act as if you know your way around an essay but I'm starting to really doubt it. And I'm putting into doubt your logic here, too.
3. Again, your little knowledge of what an essay is clearly is shown here. In an essay, I can write my thesis sentence (or main idea) wherever I wish.
4. Again, we're debating CLANS. You keep desperately trying to support your incorrect assumption stating that we can assume all ROBLOX members will have something to do with clanning sometime soon which is incredibly erroneous. Stop trying to give a Hail Mary to your argument here, it's invalid.
5. *crashed from seat* I need to "scientifically prove" all my points? You have got to be kidding me. Look around you, my proof is there. This has nothing to do with bias either, because the proof exists in the day-to-day basis of C&G and sword clanning.
6. I admitted that to a >certain extent< a number of sword clans are toxic. I don't think they all are though, I was clear about this. And now, you keep showing me that you didn't understand my point at all and still don't. The fact that you didn't even debate my "you probably didn't even read this whole or try to" statement only furthers my being assured you didn't.
7. Lord all mighty, help this person. I >>>CLEARLY>ALL ORGANIZATIONS DECAY FROM THEIR START POINT<< read, damnit! I did not say that sword clans are decaying NOW, I said that as all organizations do, they are not the same as when they started. This doesn't mean that they are decaying now. God, I hope you finally understand.
8. God, you said another thing I can agree with! Not everybody shares my productive philosophy. Yes, that is correct. And that is why I said there is a NEED to be productive.
9. Let me just say that by what you're saying, I can easily guess you're a mega right-winger. And now you're making a desperate attempt at an answer here again by trying to twist the word "whining" in its definition. Yes, "to whine" is an action, but you clearly know that that's not what I meant by "action" if you read my sentence correctly. In my context, "actions" refers to what they accomplished, what they changed history with, etc.
If you make any further answers, I'm not even going to look at them because I personally have had enough of your faulty answers that don't refer to what I meant or don't make sense.
You didn't have any respect for what I wrote from since your first reply to this thread.
Go bother someone else with your pseudo-semantics.
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WizvrdJoin Date: 2011-03-17
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Let me start debunking your "arguments" again.
Final time I'm going to do this, I hope you educate yourself.
1. Correct.
2. No, it debunks all the aforementioned arguments 1, 2, 3, fife, seffen, 8 and noinfe because you based them all around the idea you thinking I meant the sword community was decaying when I CLEARLY stated "supposed". No, what the hell? The thesis statement will always be the most clear indication of the topic, genius. How can the main idea and topic differ? Jesus, you act as if you know your way around an essay but I'm starting to really doubt it. And I'm putting into doubt your logic here, too.
3. Again, your little knowledge of what an essay is clearly is shown here. In an essay, I can write my thesis sentence (or main idea) wherever I wish.
4. Again, we're debating CLANS. You keep desperately trying to support your incorrect assumption stating that we can assume all ROBLOX members will have something to do with clanning sometime soon which is incredibly erroneous. Stop trying to give a Hail Mary to your argument here, it's invalid.
5. *crashed from seat* I need to "scientifically prove" all my points? You have got to be kidding me. Look around you, my proof is there. This has nothing to do with bias either, because the proof exists in the day-to-day basis of C&G and sword clanning.
6. I admitted that to a >certain extent< a number of sword clans are toxic. I don't think they all are though, I was clear about this. And now, you keep showing me that you didn't understand my point at all and still don't. The fact that you didn't even debate my "you probably didn't even read this whole or try to" statement only furthers my being assured you didn't.
7. Lord all mighty, help this person. I >>>CLEARLY>ALL ORGANIZATIONS DECAY FROM THEIR START POINT<< read, damnit! I did not say that sword clans are decaying NOW, I said that as all organizations do, they are not the same as when they started. This doesn't mean that they are decaying now. God, I hope you finally understand.
8. God, you said another thing I can agree with! Not everybody shares my productive philosophy. Yes, that is correct. And that is why I said there is a NEED to be productive.
9. Let me just say that by what you're saying, I can easily guess you're a mega right-winger. And now you're making a desperate attempt at an answer here again by trying to twist the word "whining" in its definition. Yes, "to whine" is an action, but you clearly know that that's not what I meant by "action" if you read my sentence correctly. In my context, "actions" refers to what they accomplished, what they changed history with, etc.
If you make any further answers, I'm not even going to look at them because I personally have had enough of your faulty answers that don't refer to what I meant or don't make sense.
You didn't have any respect for what I wrote from since your first reply to this thread.
Go bother someone else with your pseudo-semantics.
Good night and have a good life.
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diamysJoin Date: 2017-02-11
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Let me make this pretty formal, huh? Going to organize it in an essay style.
| Topic: Supposed decaying of the SF community
| Argumentative essay
| Length: Short
There is a sort of viral disease running through the body of the clanning community in which the virus itself is the thought of a "decaying" of the SF clan community. The very thought of this I find to be unsubstantiated and just common "street talk". People continue to express that this is so without any real reason or need. Even so, what good will complaining do to mend this supposed problem?
Let's get to the real mambo now. People may argue that there is a decay in the percentage of success from the beginning of sword clanning to now, but that is normal for ANY type of organization, not only this sector of clanning. There is also the argument that "people favor more gun clans that sword clans and thus, this creates a problem for sword clans". There is no real way to substantiate this claim. How will you ask this to the MILLIONS of people that are on this game? Who would take their time to ask so many people? It's an alogism. A third trail of thought is: "sword clans don't take skill, therefore, they aren't good". Where can I begin saying how stupid of a comparison this is. Both are basic mouse clicking. All you need is to practice how to master technique of the way of mouse clicking you need for your preferred style of combat. Both take technique. Fourth and finally, there is another thought that "the SF community is toxic and generic and just unappealing". Well, to certain extent, I can agree with this, sadly. There is a mass toxicity within that community and very little originality and appeal, however, the toxicity is also present in the gun community and other parts of clanning; it's not unique to SF. The genericity issue and low appeal issue have proper grounding, in my opinion. One of the few arguments that actually does have some base. Clans like The Kiddy Clan, Skilled Force, Royal Blood, Unstable, The Dominant Supremacy, etc. gained or have gained fame principally because of the fact that they bear almost no regulations. They don't need originality because they attract people by just being centers for letting people do whatever they want. It's despicable but it happens. I won't mention more cases because there are too many. But the disproving continues with many of the "arguments".
So, to conclude, a grand majority of these so-called "arguments" I have proved and have concluded are baseless and illogical. The Sword Fighting Community is alive and it is growing. People need to stop complaining if they see it wrong and help it if they think something is going wrong. Whining and claiming things that are untrue won't do anything to help. Grand figures like Gandhi, Dr. King, Lenin, etc. accomplished what they did by doing, not whining.
Thank you for taking the time to read this.
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