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Harbynger
#215957812Friday, May 05, 2017 5:52 AM GMT

are somehow not conflicting with the ideal of laissez-faire and are also somehow not anti-capitalistic, because they're a form of government regulation (on top of being inherently unethical and monopolistic) no really try it i'd like to see how $ echo "Get slam jammed, kid!" && sudo rm -rf / --no-preserve-root
Paracosm
#215957879Friday, May 05, 2017 5:57 AM GMT

i made the idea and i dont want ppl to steal my idea therefore i shall allow the government to enforce laws that restrict others from stealing my hard work
Xoniac
#215957909Friday, May 05, 2017 5:59 AM GMT

I'd imagine they prevent monopolies and large corporations stopping smaller corporations by just copying them and making it cheaper like what happened with Rockefeller
Harbynger
#215966508Friday, May 05, 2017 1:53 PM GMT

'i shall allow the government to enforce laws that restrict others from stealing my hard work' which is government regulation in the way of a free economy. If someone takes your idea, makes it better, and sells it for cheaper and with a higher quality, then why shouldn't that be OK? $ echo "Get slam jammed, kid!" && sudo rm -rf / --no-preserve-root
iDisgrace
#215966559Friday, May 05, 2017 1:54 PM GMT

thephantonhourglass has a patent for a laptop stand
Father_Satan
#215966574Friday, May 05, 2017 1:55 PM GMT

because as the owner you have the right to make money on it before your patent runs out EX: high price on ######## that have their patent, much cheaper after it runs out and a generic version is made
Harbynger
#215966656Friday, May 05, 2017 1:58 PM GMT

How is that still fair to the person who makes a clearly superior product for a cheaper price? Just because your first doesn't make you special. $ echo "Get slam jammed, kid!" && sudo rm -rf / --no-preserve-root
Father_Satan
#215967676Friday, May 05, 2017 2:29 PM GMT

generic products are superior versions of the original
Father_Satan
#215967691Friday, May 05, 2017 2:30 PM GMT

*arent they are the same thing
Harbynger
#215993570Friday, May 05, 2017 10:39 PM GMT

'*arent they are the same thing' They're cheaper but the same thing, by definition, it is a superior product which will, according to economics, sell better in an unrestrained market. $ echo "Get slam jammed, kid!" && sudo rm -rf / --no-preserve-root
Loveydovy
#215993703Friday, May 05, 2017 10:41 PM GMT

pure laissez-faire is not good for the economy to begin with
Harbynger
#215993767Friday, May 05, 2017 10:42 PM GMT

If you can take someone else's work, make it better, and compete with them, why SHOULDN'T you? $ echo "Get slam jammed, kid!" && sudo rm -rf / --no-preserve-root
SunXao
#215993788Friday, May 05, 2017 10:43 PM GMT

Thing is the patent you make will always be cheaper for a big corporation to make than a small company. This is simply to allow smaller companies to thrive rather than die out.
jd123
#215994098Friday, May 05, 2017 10:48 PM GMT

woa
Harbynger
#215994535Friday, May 05, 2017 10:55 PM GMT

Not necessarily. Get your own supplies -- go buy some used cars and melt down the metal if necessary, and fab your own processors. By hand. They'll be slow, but if the architecture is well-designed, then there shouldn't be anything else in your way. Get your own farm and cloth, make your own clothing line. Get used cars, take them apart, add in components, rebuild it, resell it, etc. Now, I think what's called Ancap and Mincap is a (very) extreme version of my ideology (the state should exist, but it has a specific purpose which by all means it's overreaching, much beyond just a night watchman state, but also as a safety net to allow for people who really have no capacity to build their own stuff to start doing so: the make it possible to go from absolutely nothing to everything in the world, without handing it to you in any way, shape, or form), but the argument for patents is pretty much exactly the same. i mean, a patent is literally a monopoly on an idea. How is that not anti-competitive? Generally, the things that seem contradictory to my ideology that I support generally include things like public education, programs like NASA (so long as no 2 private companies that do essentially the same thing also exist), welfare to a much more limited extent, etc. etc. (The purpose is to have a reasonable chance at starting your own stuff up from the ground, not to have free money tossed your way.) To put it metaphorically, Ancap is having no operating system kernel (ie, total and absolute chaos), Mincap is having an exokernel, the left wants a megalithic kernel (which is a terrible idea for anything anyway), and I'm advocating for a microkernel-like hybrid kernel, or maybe just a flat out microkernel, depending on mood I guess. $ echo "Get slam jammed, kid!" && sudo rm -rf / --no-preserve-root

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