WhazziJoin Date: 2013-08-12
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Link to the resolution.: https://twitter.com/whazziwho/status/870531079458914304
Explanatory Notes:
- Article 1, Section 3, Clause 2
The President will still be able to appoint people to the Senate,
*P.S.* since POTUS essentially appoints the VP to the Senate, we must keep that in the Constitution.
However, the President could only appoint Senators if there are at least four vacant seats in either of the three classes. The President would need to consult his choices for appointee(s) with the Senate, and each appointee would need to pass a quick 12 hours duration vote, executed on a forum.
- Article 1, Section 3, Clause 12
Vacancies in the Senate that can not be filled by the President (due to clause 2) will be added to the closest scheduled Senate election, those seats will be given to people who came in 8th spot or onwards, depending on a number of vacancies in the Senate that can not be filled by the President.
- Article 1, Section 2, Clause 2
Same as the Senate process, with modifications to rename "Senate" to "House of Representatives", and "8th" to "10th".
*P.S.* The President will not be able to appoint Representatives.
In conclusion, this constitutional amendment organizes elections in Congress by taking the regular election and the special election, and squeezing them together–less work for the FECC, less time spent on holding two elections and ensuring that the President's appointment of Senators stays within the boundaries of the Checks and Balances.
**Begin voting after the PPT authorises**
Signed,
Whazzi
Senator of Ohio
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siteownerJoin Date: 2011-09-27
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Nay, I encourage all my fellow senators to nay, as it would allow a class to have 3 open spots. I think the president should be allow to appoint at any time. This would be ineffective. |
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edubbl_eJoin Date: 2012-07-26
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Nay
Senator Edubbl_e |
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GunlowJoin Date: 2011-05-18
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Nay |
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GunlowJoin Date: 2011-05-18
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Actually, changing my vote to Aye.
AYE |
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WhazziJoin Date: 2013-08-12
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Here is the United States Constitution, my amendment those not interfere with the amount of permitted Senators in a Class. The DPPT's statement is wrong and includes no knowledge of the Constitution.
Clause 12 of Section 3 doesn't yet exist, it will be created due to this amendment. Clause 2 of Section 3 is solemnly on the POTUS's ability to appoint people to the Senate, thus I amend. Clause 2 of Section 2 is irrelevant to the argument, but it doesn't interfere with the amount of Representatives in a class either.
Link.: https://twitter.com/whazziwho/status/870702177563561984
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WhazziJoin Date: 2013-08-12
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siteownerJoin Date: 2011-09-27
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I don't appreciate the insult, Whazzi. I still stand with my opinion that the President should be able to appoint whenever there is a vacancy. If that cant happen then Senate could be a literal ghost town. |
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prevbloxJoin Date: 2012-05-05
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Nay — Though populism has its benefits, it can also be problematic. Though it may seem as if these appointed Senators aren't being voted upon directly, I would ask that my colleagues consider how the President is elected: popular vote.
In more ways than not, the Senate appointees are a result of popular vote of the sitting President. Americans already indirectly vote for these seats by voting for a President.
This same principle goes with military leadership or Cabinet and Justice nominations: these are the duties of the President.
Therefore, I highly question the legitimacy of this bill. It argues that Senate vacancies should be voted upon directly, while they're already voted upon indirectly through the election of the President.
In addition to these points, the idea of their being four vacancies at once to even allow the President appointment power is highly unlikely.
Let's assume that even one, two, or even three seats were vacant at the beginning of a term, the Senate would have to wait a month for that seat to be filled. As already seen in just a week under President pro tempore Clar#############ot will happen in a month.
For all of these reasons, I believe it is the duty of the Senate to withhold appointment power to the President of the United States.
I encourage my colleagues to nay this bill. |
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GunlowJoin Date: 2011-05-18
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After talking to many senators and many Americans, I am changing my vote to Abstain. Sorry Whazzi I agree with prev. |
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WhazziJoin Date: 2013-08-12
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@Prev, I see your point, and this is my response. The bill doesn't only affect upon the criteria of four seats vaccinating at once, it can count up to #### ## #### - this detail is irrelevant and speaks for itself when you don't think about it too hard. Now, on the point of PPT Clara filling all the open seats - respectively said on PPT Clara, she will not stay forever, and this amendment is directed to be in effect for the long term. At this point, the President can fill over half of the Senate with people that will obey his agenda, the House of Rep. waits between 2 to 4 months to fill vacant seats in either of it two classes, and the Senate stays at risk of another inactive President leaving it vulnerable. We need this amendment to fix those three major loopholes in our Constitution, Aye this amendment! Whazzi Senator of Ohio |
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NorthFuzeJoin Date: 2011-08-28
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Aye.
Signed, Former Supreme Court Justice NorthFuze |
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WhazziJoin Date: 2013-08-12
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*can count up to four seats
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prevbloxJoin Date: 2012-05-05
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Clara doesn't appoint anyone unless you're referring to Senate-specific positions, so I'm not sure what you're getting at there.
If the amendment was to merely fix the House of Representative's vacancy problem, then I'd be much more open to it. I'm also not sure how an irrelevant point could speak for itself, but I digress.
Bottom-line: We're taking a power that was voted upon by the people when electing their President. It's redundant, unnecessary, and will lead to future problems in the Senate. |
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WhazziJoin Date: 2013-08-12
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correction to the amendment: "13th" not "10th".
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WhazziJoin Date: 2013-08-12
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Corrections were made to the amendment.
This amendment now requires a re-vote.
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WhazziJoin Date: 2013-08-12
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The following corrections were made.:
*P.S. below are all the sections of the amendment*
ARTICLE — 1, SECTION — 3, CLAUSE —2
The clause shall be amended;
The President of the United States shall have vested within him the power to fill vacancies that are found within the Senate, by appointing members whose terms shall expire at the time of the next election designated to their assigned Class.
(a) The President must receive the full consent of the Senate before appointing persons to fill vacant seats in the Senate.
(b) A vote in the Senate on the appointee must pass with 2/3 on the affirmative for the Senate’s consent to count as valid.
(c) The vote shall be held via the system of forum voting, and must conclude after 12 hours.
(d) “Appointee” is referring to a person appointed by the President of the United States to fill vacancies in the Senate.
(e) “Member” is referred to as another word for ‘appointee’.
ARTICLE — 1, SECTION — 2, CLAUSE —2
The clause shall be amended;
If vacancies occur in House of Representatives by resignation, expulsion, or any other form of retirement, from any Class or Classes, the vacant seats shall be added to a pre-scheduled House of Representatives election that is the closest by, regardless of the Class being put to run in the election. Vacant seats from either Class other than the one designated in the selected House of Representatives election shall be placed on the 13th, and onwards, available seats on the ballot, depending on a number of vacant seats in all the Classes of the House of Representatives.
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edubbl_eJoin Date: 2012-07-26
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Changing vote to aye
Senator Edubbl_e |
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