Idea we need to use by Meelo

Join Date: 2010-11-20
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#50077456Thursday, July 07, 2011 1:35 PM GMT

What happened to the good old days when you could program something and it got used? What happened to the times when quality was linked to popularity? What happened to the bygone days where stuff was free? What happened to ROBLOX? A long time ago, there were no cars. There were no planes. There were no guns, arrows, or swords. There were no turrets. There was no lava. All those things the average user takes for granted now. All can be attributed to one group: Programmers. Now, after 2 years of the same ol', we're running out of ideas.Updates, which should be HELPING the stem of ROBLOX's success are eradicating them. We've, without warning, lost parts of the API. We've had updates that shadowed our developments. We've, overall, been neglected. ROBLOX's golden age is over. The programming societies are crumbling. They've been infiltrated, disrespected, and eviscerated. A year ago, I could say, "I'm a programmer", and command respect. Now, I'm infamous for doing the exact same things. It would only take 1 or 2 major new things to fix all this - but, alas, ROBLOX hasn't heard us. Unlike programmers, ROBLOX seems very aware of another group: Forumers. They, while they are certainly more prominent to the admins, are far more oppressed than programmers. Rather than just a few bad updates, but nothing more, they get to deal with trigger happy mod-bots, insane spammers, unpredictable moderators and a dead society. When I joined, the forums were a place of mostly intelligent discussion and stuff. "Off-Topic" was where I could relax, not sift through loads of spam. "Suggestions & Ideas" was a place I could debate ideas, not a place full of spammers and people who can't be civilized. "Scripters/Scripting Help" used to be a place where we could discuss various topics with intelligent people, and give some help, not get discredited, spammed, and have my reputation stolen by non-programmers. It used to be you could post just about anything within reason, now if it CAN be used badly it must go. You used to be able to express your opinion in a spam free forum - now any human emotion is bannable. The society is diluted by noobs to the point where the forums are unusable. Unfortunately, there is not much ROBLOX can do to fix this. Exodus to a decent forum is the only option, and that must be on a personal level. Now, ROBLOX isn't ignorant or abusive of ALL it's members. ROBLOX usually pays a lot of attention to where they think the cycle begins - Builders. Builders have it pretty good - they still have unaddressed wants and stuff, but they get basically every update. They also get most the credit and recognition from ROBLOX and other users - it doesn't matter who made the lava, or the awesome cars. They put them in a place. ROBLOX lets even the dumbest of the dumb able to make stuff. Free Models are mostly populated by stuff programmers made, and builders use. They made materials, which were already doable without the update. At the cost of programmers, they even made VehicleSeats, which truly proves they think builders will help them more. While they will get more cash lining their golden pants this way, as they are a majority, it is not permanent. Enough of the same stuff will travel down the chain - but it will eventually be that builder's are the last link. Now, I don't blame builders for all their joy at the cost of programmers, but ROBLOX is at fault for favoritism. There is basically one group - probably the least important - that ROBLOX treats like royalty. The masses. They probably haven't done anything extraordinary and exceptional. They probably can't program. They're probably not the best builders. They are mundane. While they form communities within themselves, as ROBLOX users, they are consumers, not producers. I don't have anything against them, but they are certainly ROBLOX's favorite. ROBLOX gives them updates on a weekly, or even daily basis - content updates. Don't the admins have better things to do than make CONTENT? Have they forgotten what user-created-content means? This group just gives ROBLOX money by the hundreds - ROBLOX gives every feature they can imagine to them. They still complain, but ROBLOX only has so much manpower, and they're not going to use it for the game. They're going to use it for the economy. Evidently, ROBLOX's programmers are not the great "bedroom programmers". They are not the "freeware activists". They are not the "free game" they claim to be. They have their eyes set on only 1 thing - Money. They do not look at the indirect routes. They want money, and they want it now. I believe that if they ever want to better their game with not much effort, they should be giving stuff to the programmers. Now, this thread is not about complaints. It is about explaining things to the administrators, so here's a list of mostly scripting ideas I came up with. Screen Object A decal or color that appears on the screen. Kind of like the GUIs that I've been working on, but personal, less lag, and easier to use. Properties: -x and y coordinates (Vector2) -x and y size (Vector2) -Texture (Decal/color) Inter-server Communication The ability to save data that is universal to all servers of a game. -String/byte operations GetTime() function It would return the time and date in a userdata/table form with year, month (#in year), day, hour, minute, and second in it. Studio Tools The ability to use Lua to make tool (like the wood tool, inlet tool, etc.) in ROBLOX Studio's tool panel. SendEvent global function Parameters: Event,... Event is something like game.Players.ChildAdded, and ... would be all parameters passed to functions connecting to this event. This would help for testing scripts. XML Logs A new thing in the menu that records information about objects (maybe only changes that are abnormal, like ones caused by a script), saves it, and maybe something that can later read it and replicate what happened. This would be a great alternative to recording the screen and such, as it would be: A) Faster (Unless you have 5000000000000 bricks moving erratically) B) 3D C) Modifyable D) Could be used by scripts and such This could also take form on server-side if a script requests it to record, as to allow places that replay stuff, maybe with effects and such. Also, it would allow for people with slower computers (like me) to create smooth videos, as you could do it frame-by-frame, or could write a program that takes the XML and turns it into a movie. Update Log Sometimes it's fun to stumble in the dark for updates, but it angers me to find the updates in the form of an error in output... BodyInertia Creating more density type things - it decreases/increases forces on it's parent by a factor set inside. Adding to a previous post Sometimes it's useful to have more information in a post or something. Editing your post is just a spawning ground for trolls. Pause, Step, and Run Physics (Script function) It would be useful to make scripts that pause all physics functions for many reasons. It could be used to create elaborate effects that are otherwise impossible - mostly for movies. User-Made Contests With Prizes Look, I know the rules are against them, but, well, users are going to be able to get workable groups of people. I say this because well, as ROBLOX's population went up, the fairness of their contests went down. Way down. I don't know if, if this is implemented, there should be rules governing these contests, as more rules is more rule-breakers, and more stress on the mo We need to use this idea.

MissingnoAF

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#50077591Thursday, July 07, 2011 1:40 PM GMT

We need to use ALL of the ideas. Take your time and read it all.

kidsun

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#50077826Thursday, July 07, 2011 1:49 PM GMT

I agree with all of them. ROBLOX golden years are gone. I support.

OMGITSWAFFLE9001

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#50077857Thursday, July 07, 2011 1:50 PM GMT

TL:DR. Make more spaces.

MissingnoAF

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#50077955Thursday, July 07, 2011 1:53 PM GMT

@OMG It has enough spaces. TL;DR, and I ignore you. Who cares about TL;DR's? JUST TAKE YOUR TIME AND READ IT!

MissingnoAF

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#50078080Thursday, July 07, 2011 1:57 PM GMT

Bump.

Keyumi

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#50078250Thursday, July 07, 2011 2:02 PM GMT

And you copy this why..?

swmaniac

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#50078335Thursday, July 07, 2011 2:05 PM GMT

I was a critic of Meelo back then, I'll be a critic of Meelo now. This actually somewhat irritates me, Roblox is a business. They never claimed to be anything except a business. They are of course out to make money, they like to get paychecks at the end of the week. Personally, I can't fault them for that. The game is free. They promised nothing more than that. Stop yelling at them every time they update something to ensure they get their paychecks. In addition to the stuff I was irritated with Meelo for, this thread kinda goes much further. This was written years ago, before GUIs even came out apparently. A lot of the ideas Meelo created, HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED, the issue he raised was SOLVED. This thread is complaining about a problem that has already ceased to exist, what more do you want - for them to remove it from history?

swmaniac

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#50078621Thursday, July 07, 2011 2:12 PM GMT

My responses to every actual idea on this thread: Screen Object A decal or color that appears on the screen. Kind of like the GUIs that I've been working on, but personal, less lag, and easier to use. Properties: -x and y coordinates (Vector2) -x and y size (Vector2) -Texture (Decal/color) --Exists. Inter-server Communication The ability to save data that is universal to all servers of a game. -String/byte operations --Exists. GetTime() function It would return the time and date in a userdata/table form with year, month (#in year), day, hour, minute, and second in it. --Exists. Studio Tools The ability to use Lua to make tool (like the wood tool, inlet tool, etc.) in ROBLOX Studio's tool panel. --Actually cool idea, but has room for abuse. Mild support. SendEvent global function Parameters: Event,... Event is something like game.Players.ChildAdded, and ... would be all parameters passed to functions connecting to this event. This would help for testing scripts. --Actually cool idea, support. XML Logs A new thing in the menu that records information about objects (maybe only changes that are abnormal, like ones caused by a script), saves it, and maybe something that can later read it and replicate what happened. This would be a great alternative to recording the screen and such, as it would be: A) Faster (Unless you have 5000000000000 bricks moving erratically) B) 3D C) Modifyable D) Could be used by scripts and such This could also take form on server-side if a script requests it to record, as to allow places that replay stuff, maybe with effects and such. Also, it would allow for people with slower computers (like me) to create smooth videos, as you could do it frame-by-frame, or could write a program that takes the XML and turns it into a movie. --Actually cool idea, support - however, it becomes mildly self contradictory as movies cannot be made purely by script actions; recording every brick's status 30 times per second is going to make some HUGE files if that's what Meelo meant. Update Log Sometimes it's fun to stumble in the dark for updates, but it angers me to find the updates in the form of an error in output... --Actually cool idea, support. BodyInertia Creating more density type things - it decreases/increases forces on it's parent by a factor set inside. --Actually cool idea, support. Adding to a previous post Sometimes it's useful to have more information in a post or something. Editing your post is just a spawning ground for trolls. --...What is this suggestion? Pause, Step, and Run Physics (Script function) It would be useful to make scripts that pause all physics functions for many reasons. It could be used to create elaborate effects that are otherwise impossible - mostly for movies. --What. Because a recursive anchoring script won't do anything like this, right? User-Made Contests With Prizes Look, I know the rules are against them, but, well, users are going to be able to get workable groups of people. I say this because well, as ROBLOX's population went up, the fairness of their contests went down. Way down. I don't know if, if this is implemented, there should be rules governing these contests, as more rules is more rule-breakers, and more stress on the mo. -- Impractical to implement, would require more manpower than Roblox seems to want to hire. PS: None of this is meant as a flame, looking back at my last post I think I could have worded it a bit better. Sorry dude.

godsmain

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#50079091Thursday, July 07, 2011 2:22 PM GMT

Wow. You still remember meelo. You like roblox too much bro

swmaniac

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#50079334Thursday, July 07, 2011 2:28 PM GMT

Meelo stuck in my memory. He was one of the intelligent people that I genuinely disagreed with and one of the few people on S&I that I could hold a conversation with instead of it degenerating into something like: "I want this" "But that's not reasonable..." "But I want it" (>.>) (Not directed at this thread, that was... common back then).

MissingnoAF

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#50080258Thursday, July 07, 2011 2:46 PM GMT

Meelo is still here. It's sorta obvious that he's here. He also codes for another game that you'll have to PM me for the link to. Meelo is Varp.

MissingnoAF

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#50080361Thursday, July 07, 2011 2:48 PM GMT

What happened to the good old days when you could program something and it got used? What happened to the times when quality was linked to popularity? What happened to the bygone days where stuff was free? What happened to ROBLOX? A long time ago, there were no cars. There were no planes. There were no guns, arrows, or swords. There were no turrets. There was no lava. All those things the average user takes for granted now. All can be attributed to one group: Programmers. Now, after 2 years of the same ol', we're running out of ideas.Updates, which should be HELPING the stem of ROBLOX's success are eradicating them. We've, without warning, lost parts of the API. We've had updates that shadowed our developments. We've, overall, been neglected. ROBLOX's golden age is over. The programming societies are crumbling. They've been infiltrated, disrespected, and eviscerated. A year ago, I could say, "I'm a programmer", and command respect. Now, I'm infamous for doing the exact same things. It would only take 1 or 2 major new things to fix all this - but, alas, ROBLOX hasn't heard us. Unlike programmers, ROBLOX seems very aware of another group: Forumers. They, while they are certainly more prominent to the admins, are far more oppressed than programmers. Rather than just a few bad updates, but nothing more, they get to deal with trigger happy mod-bots, insane spammers, unpredictable moderators and a dead society. When I joined, the forums were a place of mostly intelligent discussion and stuff. "Off-Topic" was where I could relax, not sift through loads of spam. "Suggestions & Ideas" was a place I could debate ideas, not a place full of spammers and people who can't be civilized. "Scripters/Scripting Help" used to be a place where we could discuss various topics with intelligent people, and give some help, not get discredited, spammed, and have my reputation stolen by non-programmers. It used to be you could post just about anything within reason, now if it CAN be used badly it must go. You used to be able to express your opinion in a spam free forum - now any human emotion is bannable. The society is diluted by noobs to the point where the forums are unusable. Unfortunately, there is not much ROBLOX can do to fix this. Exodus to a decent forum is the only option, and that must be on a personal level. Now, ROBLOX isn't ignorant or abusive of ALL it's members. ROBLOX usually pays a lot of attention to where they think the cycle begins - Builders. Builders have it pretty good - they still have unaddressed wants and stuff, but they get basically every update. They also get most the credit and recognition from ROBLOX and other users - it doesn't matter who made the lava, or the awesome cars. They put them in a place. ROBLOX lets even the dumbest of the dumb able to make stuff. Free Models are mostly populated by stuff programmers made, and builders use. They made materials, which were already doable without the update. At the cost of programmers, they even made VehicleSeats, which truly proves they think builders will help them more. While they will get more cash lining their golden pants this way, as they are a majority, it is not permanent. Enough of the same stuff will travel down the chain - but it will eventually be that builder's are the last link. Now, I don't blame builders for all their joy at the cost of programmers, but ROBLOX is at fault for favoritism. There is basically one group - probably the least important - that ROBLOX treats like royalty. The masses. They probably haven't done anything extraordinary and exceptional. They probably can't program. They're probably not the best builders. They are mundane. While they form communities within themselves, as ROBLOX users, they are consumers, not producers. I don't have anything against them, but they are certainly ROBLOX's favorite. ROBLOX gives them updates on a weekly, or even daily basis - content updates. Don't the admins have better things to do than make CONTENT? Have they forgotten what user-created-content means? This group just gives ROBLOX money by the hundreds - ROBLOX gives every feature they can imagine to them. They still complain, but ROBLOX only has so much manpower, and they're not going to use it for the game. They're going to use it for the economy. Evidently, ROBLOX's programmers are not the great "bedroom programmers". They are not the "freeware activists". They are not the "free game" they claim to be. They have their eyes set on only 1 thing - Money. They do not look at the indirect routes. They want money, and they want it now. I believe that if they ever want to better their game with not much effort, they should be giving stuff to the programmers. Studio Tools The ability to use Lua to make tool (like the wood tool, inlet tool, etc.) in ROBLOX Studio's tool panel. --Actually cool idea, but has room for abuse. Mild support. SendEvent global function Parameters: Event,... Event is something like game.Players.ChildAdded, and ... would be all parameters passed to functions connecting to this event. This would help for testing scripts. --Actually cool idea, support. XML Logs A new thing in the menu that records information about objects (maybe only changes that are abnormal, like ones caused by a script), saves it, and maybe something that can later read it and replicate what happened. This would be a great alternative to recording the screen and such, as it would be: A) Faster (Unless you have 5000000000000 bricks moving erratically) B) 3D C) Modifyable D) Could be used by scripts and such This could also take form on server-side if a script requests it to record, as to allow places that replay stuff, maybe with effects and such. Also, it would allow for people with slower computers (like me) to create smooth videos, as you could do it frame-by-frame, or could write a program that takes the XML and turns it into a movie. --Actually cool idea, support - however, it becomes mildly self contradictory as movies cannot be made purely by script actions; recording every brick's status 30 times per second is going to make some HUGE files if that's what Meelo meant. Update Log Sometimes it's fun to stumble in the dark for updates, but it angers me to find the updates in the form of an error in output... --Actually cool idea, support. BodyInertia Creating more density type things - it decreases/increases forces on it's parent by a factor set inside. --Actually cool idea, support. Adding to a previous post Sometimes it's useful to have more information in a post or something. Editing your post is just a spawning ground for trolls. --...What is this suggestion? Pause, Step, and Run Physics (Script function) It would be useful to make scripts that pause all physics functions for many reasons. It could be used to create elaborate effects that are otherwise impossible - mostly for movies. --What. Because a recursive anchoring script won't do anything like this, right? User-Made Contests With Prizes Look, I know the rules are against them, but, well, users are going to be able to get workable groups of people. I say this because well, as ROBLOX's population went up, the fairness of their contests went down. Way down. I don't know if, if this is implemented, there should be rules governing these contests, as more rules is more rule-breakers, and more stress on the mo. That's without the ideas that are done.