CelestusJoin Date: 2011-08-15
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In this thread I will be presenting the original rules of war agreement between WIJ and JC. I will then be comparing these rules to the claims WIJ makes to grant them a conditional, followed by an unconditional victory. It is almost inevitable I will receive a profound amount of negative spam and flame feedback, with little depth and only normative opinion making up the bulk of its content. Let these posts be an example of the forum popularity power WIJ possesses and uses as a tool to turn rational arguments into things ignored by the masses.
The original rules of war (roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=94171552):
'As discussed with PspJohn the war will be decided by a final battle. This battle is to a streamed RCL 8v8 at Bricktops and is to take place on the evening (GMT) of Sat 20th April. Raids are fought for prestige and will cease the day before the final battle. Final raidlist (with imgur links for each individual raids) will be sent to the opposing side for confirmation. Only raids with raidcodes clearly visible in the image will be valid and counted. Final raidcount confirmed by both sides will be released on Fri 19th April. Targeted exploits and admin abusing will not be tolerated by either side.'
'IN SHORT:
*RCL // 8v8 BRICKTOPS // 10 DEATH ELIM // SAT 20th GMT evening (EST afternoon) // WILL DECIDE OUTCOME
*ONLY RAIDS WITH VISIBLE RAIDCODES ARE VALID
*RAIDS TO CEASE ON FRI 19TH AND RAIDCOUNTS TO BE VERIFIED AND ANNOUNCED
*NO RAIDS BEFORE THE DATE OF THIS POST ARE VALID
*EXPLOITING IS NATURALLY NOT PERMITTED, NOR IS ADMIN ABUSE IN ANY FORM. IF WE HAVE FIRM EVIDENCE OF EITHER SIDE SUPPORTING THIS PRACTICE, THE WAR WILL CEASE.
*NO OFFENSIVE ALLIED INVOLVEMENT'
Now to compare;
'Due to fowl play on the John's Cobras side we ended the war prematurely'
- This is fair, as stated in the rules, use of supported admin abuse and 'THE WAR WILL CEASE.'
'with a massive victory count on our side (as stated in war rules (roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=94171552) and declared conditional victory'
- WIJ are now declaring a conditional victory after having ceased the war, they are declaring the conditional victory under the principle of raid wins, 'victory count'. Looking at the agreed war terms, 'Raids are fought for prestige and will cease the day before the final battle.' We can see that raids are only for prestige and therefore effectively account towards nothing in a victory verdict. Despite this rule clearly being stated by SilentSwords on the thread agreement, when questioned he denies ever having made such a statement. 'I never used the term 'only for prestige' myself. Owen did that. But owen is not incharge of WIJ officially, I am.' - SilentSwords, http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=94562248.
'However, we stated it was possible for JC to message us and arrange a battle to dispute this victory. '
- The battle had already been arranged for the 20th of April, as stated in the rules, 'This battle is to a streamed RCL 8v8 at Bricktops and is to take place on the evening (GMT) of Sat 20th April.'. Despite knowledge of this, WIJ arranged the final battle to be held on the 4/11/2013, one day before the battle was to take place. This was too against the original agreement. Many JC were not even online between the period whereby the battle date had been introduced, and the actual time and date of the battle.
'WIJ - UNCONDITIONAL VICTORY ON JOHN'S COBRAS'
- With the evidence I have provided, I have presented my point on why I believe WIJ have not fairly won this war. Please note, I have no loyalty towards JC, and I am sure WIJ were fully capable of winning this war. The fact is, WIJ have twisted the rules in order to jump the gun, speed things up in their own favour. This is a demonstration of how they are able to use their sheer number and popularity to have C&G turn a blind to their own conclusion on having won a war, despite the scrutinised facts which on the terms of fairness and signed contract prevent them from winning.
Thank you for reading if you read the whole thing,
Celestus. |
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Too much words didn't read
~I am undefined~ |
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TOO MUCH WIN IN THIS THREAD FOR WIJ TO HANDLE |
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nahom007Join Date: 2011-03-05
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you're just butthurt because you're not on the wij fb team lol |
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PLOOBER33Join Date: 2007-06-30
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JC Ought to have at least till the originally agreed time to have the FB to decide the war. |
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VyrkarJoin Date: 2013-01-13
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Whats your point. WIJ already one. JC backed off, WIJ gave JC another chance to do a FB today, but yeah. April 20th, is invalid. |
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InysaJoin Date: 2012-09-18
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... Actually, some good points were brought up. I really am not paying attention to this war however. Normally it's not like WIJ to do something like this, especially with their oh-so-renoun FB team. And against JC, nonetheless. |
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nahom007Join Date: 2011-03-05
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if the war is called off because of not following the original terms of agreement(JC AAing), then why would all the other terms have to follow through.
we had to settle it now and there why the heck would we wait a week and a half with no clue what to put in our description and just have a whole bunch of riots on the forums
stop trying to bring up something that's already done |
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1Ali1Join Date: 2009-09-01
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i have to say
i agree lol |
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ncusa17Join Date: 2012-03-26
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> EXPLOITING IS NATURALLY NOT PERMITTED, NOR IS ADMIN ABUSE IN ANY FORM. IF WE HAVE FIRM EVIDENCE OF EITHER SIDE SUPPORTING THIS PRACTICE, THE WAR WILL CEASE
Read it and weep. |
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PLOOBER33Join Date: 2007-06-30
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Nahom, I can link you to a wonderful page full of arguments where I establish that this is a faulty standpoint on which to claim admin abuse. Would you like to see it? |
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Too much words didn't read
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The original FB date was set because we would be having raids going on before the engagement.
The war officially ended with JC's AAing.
WIJ was kind enough to offer an FB to settle the war instead of having it end on a conditional victory in accordance to JC's admin abuse.
This FB has nothing to do with the one on the 20th, since that one wqs canceled along with the rest of the war. |
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nahom007Join Date: 2011-03-05
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@ploober
give me all of it |
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PLOOBER33Join Date: 2007-06-30
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CelestusJoin Date: 2011-08-15
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'we had to settle it now and there why the heck would we wait a week and a half with no clue what to put in our description and just have a whole bunch of riots on the forums'
This is your argument to breaking original agreements 'whole bunch of riots on the forums'. Sorry to break it to you, but people really just don't care THAT much.
'stop trying to bring up something that's already done'
What a statement of meaning and integrity. |
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eletrowizJoin Date: 2008-12-08
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"> EXPLOITING IS NATURALLY NOT PERMITTED, NOR IS ADMIN ABUSE IN ANY FORM. IF WE HAVE FIRM EVIDENCE OF EITHER SIDE SUPPORTING THIS PRACTICE, THE WAR WILL CEASE"
Cease, not a victory for any side.
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ElluelJoin Date: 2011-01-08
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Even if FB, WIJ would own. |
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nahom007Join Date: 2011-03-05
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"What a statement of meaning and integrity."
yeah it is because it means you're not a sore loser |
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PLOOBER33Join Date: 2007-06-30
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The idea that the admin abuse that ended the war was in fact admin abuse is preposterous. Admin abuse is using admin to stop a raid from winning or to win a raid.
The JC high rank clearly and publicly admitted that the raid was won by wij. his actions are equivalent to shutting down a server after a successful raid is finished. |
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VyrkarJoin Date: 2013-01-13
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Yes, he still broke the rules. So the war ended. case closed. |
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CelestusJoin Date: 2011-08-15
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'WIJ was kind enough to offer an FB to settle the war instead of having it end on a conditional victory in accordance to JC's admin abuse.'
Though I do not argue with the fact admin abuse allows you to cease the war, nowhere did it state in the original rule agreement, it gives you a conditional victory. It only gives you the right to 'CEASE THE WAR'. The victor of the war was to be decided on the 20th by a final battle. What is a wqs? |
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Ploober, it was many, many accounts of unrestricted AAing.
Even JC HRs admitted to it.
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CelestusJoin Date: 2011-08-15
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'Yes, he still broke the rules. So the war ended. case closed.'
Again obvious. Doesn't declare a victor though. |
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