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They have. It's basically just some guy who's full of himself, who makes paragraphs and paragraphs out of a simple idea.
He basically just says that people who put ads up get paid if you're on the page with the ad (which is obvious) and that the mods basically need to sort of half give in to the NBC rights people. I find it to just be dumb because there are so little actual NBC rights activists and below half of them will actually leave. Even if they did, it wouldn't even hurt roblox all that much.
Everyone just left you weirdos to talk amongst yourselves but it's pretty obvious why this is silly. Besides, why would they hide being financially unstable?
The thread was probably removed because it was a wall of text, though it was OT so I admit it's slightly strange that the mods cared so much but I don't know much of what OT was like back then or even what it's like now because to very much of an extent because it's basically just a bin for people who want a higher post count so I rarely ever go on it.
He was also against tickets but that was dealt with.
Revansai said the same thing earlier but ironically you're kind of ignorant.
PS: Get off the the front page of S&I, either go in a chat group or go to Off Topic. |
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Actually we haven't talked about him in a while but now that you mention him :p .... |
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Who cares what bloody forum it's in. It relates to this thread. Therefore it can be present... |
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@Theo
You sound pretty full of yourself too tbh. Just because people like goldfishmemories and frozengaia/Espithel (<-- another dude I think has cool ideas) make long threads doesn't mean they're all ego (I've seen many people accuse them of being egomanicial). The only difference between you and them is that they've actually contributed something and they don't just go on threads to puff themselves up ("Look at the weirdos talking nonsense. Heh at least I'' better than them).
Also ROBLOX isn't financially unstable. Not even goldfish thought it was (he mentioned on his old threads that his doomsday talk was to balance out the anti-NBCers that ignore all problems). That's not the point of our discussion that you don't seem to understand, considering most of what you're saying about it is false (1. goldfishmemories wasn't against tickets, and neither are we 2. Being critical isn't the same as being malicious, same with being satirical like goldfish).
Yeah we've been having a discussion that for the most part has been between just a few people that isn't even about the OP anymore. That doesn't mean no one else cares (notice how other people have been dropping bumps because they wanted it to keep going? If you haven't noticed it's the "outsiders" you say are leaving us alone to talk to ourselves that are keeping this thread alive). If you actually paid attention to it you'd notice we aren't even talking about goldfish anymore or The Movement, just ROBLOX in general.
I do agree this thread has become OT and also the OP is obviously click bait, but if you wanna come on here and puff yourself up by making us seem like we're just a bunch of guys puffing ourselves up what makes you any different?
This thread has run its course imo anyways. About time to kill it. |
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No this discussion is good, it should continue.
Lets not kill it |
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In all honesty I made this thread as bait and to get spotlight for the thread (but also I was genuinely surprised when I found out it got removed). I thought the title made it pretty obvious if not the OP. Imo it should've died ages ago and stayed that way. I honestly hoped if I left it alone it would've died 5 pages ago. The reason it hasn't is not because of the thread itself but the good but off topic discussions that came out of it.
Also one final thought about goldfishmemories: the people that don't understand him are the people that take him too seriously. goldfishmemories was a character; just some BCer's alt that he used to use for trolling. He's even said his suggestions aren't made so that they can actually be implemented, but are supposed to provoke thoughtful commentary and discussion from a different mindset. The reason the threads are so extreme I think is because everyone else was so conservative back then (and they still are). Yes, goldfish's ideas weren't made to be implemented but to make a point; he was over theatrical and in his own head, but he wasn't arrogant and he didn't have some Light Yagami complex about ROBLOX.
He was a character that was made to start real discussion. That's something I think is lacking A LOT on S&I nowadays. Just because mods abandoned this subforum people just crap post or argue about the same things over and over about click bait threads. goldfish is good because he's not in the rut. His ideas were extreme, over the top, but smart. He had a very good conceptual grasp on ROBLOX's industry and in game economy that nobody had in 2013. He predicted tix removal and the premiumization of ROBLOX 2 years before it happened. His threads were like crash courses for the stuff that's common knowledge about ROBLOX now but wasn't known when he forumed.
Your allowed to hate him, think he's stupid and an egomaniac. You're allowed to like him, too. People have started flame wars in his name, and dedicated entire rants and tributes to him, etc etc. Either way you're doing what he wanted you to do. Actually thinking. Not just swirling in the dank memes and the bait cesspool.
Him and his ideas are a conversation piece. That's all. That's why we talk about him. Not for him, but for the discussion.
I think that's what people appreciate about him. But in all honesty this thread wasn't about him, but what he left behind.
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@Lucario
Exactly. goldfish threads and goldfish philosophy don't exist just to be annoying or critical but to make people something other than ricidulous NBC rights activists or ridiculous anti-NBC rights activists. When you talk goldfishmemories, no matter what you actually think about him or his ideas you're talking from a different perspective than just pro-NBC or anti-NBC. And thank God for that.
I could tell from his threads that he was very ahead of his time, like he came from the future. Not everyone can see it but considering he's been proven right about almost everything should be a little convincing. I agree his suggestions are long and useless in practicality, but so are all the suggestions on S&I now. What makes his different is that they're commentary. They're methodically made and he literally didn't care what came out of it; he'd literally just lurk as flame wars raged on them and kids called him stupid like he didn't care at all. Because it wasn't about his suggestions, it was about the perspective. ROBLOX won't die anytime soon, but that doesn't mean it can't. Goldfish's style was true constructive criticism--he understood better than most which allowed him to figure out the better path and he blew up the problems to show you that a better path mattered. People think just because there's no change in the status quo it doesn't matter if things could be better. But they always can. And we should at least know how they could be and why they should be.
That's what's good about goldfish threads. Of course if you don't actually care about that stuff you wouldn't see the point. But tbh who cares either way? |
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@Theo
I agree with you. This thread needs to stop being bumped simply because it's clickbait.
I don't agree with you about goldfishmemories however. The point of his threads are to explain ROBLOX's freemium and premium economy, industry and profit sources in a way that makes people realize that NBC rights threads and anti-NBC rights threads are dumb, pointless and repetitive (things like tix removal threads, daily robux, etc). The reason goldfish's threads are so long and drawn out are because you're in his head and he actually has important things (and back then, unheard of things) to say about these topics. They're long so when you read them you have plenty of time to think about them and they guide your thoughts in a way that you discover some new things about ROBLOX that better your understanding.
In short, they were made to be enlightening and introspective, especially for 2013-2014 ROBLOX. If I hadn't read them, I'd probably be a stupid anti-NBC activist too, or worse, an NBC activist. Thanks to reading goldfish threads I'm not, and he actually inspired my R$ fission thread (you've probably heard about that thread; probably a mix of good and bad). Goldfishmemories helps you understand ROBLOX and platforms like it in a way that for most kids and S&I alters their thinking. It's not valued because we think the suggestions are the greatest thing ever and should be implemented (not even goldfish thought that, of course there are some people that do think that). Yeah they're good ideas, albeit useless, but it's not about the ideas--it's about what they're about and the mindset that made them. |
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Roblox is not a terrible company, its amazing |
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@Inigo
You're right. It's not a terrible company at all. It's a good one.
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Someone who has the original text put it into the Roblox Library |
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Lol surprised we're talking goldfishmemories again, but since we're on the subject:
A lot of people take his doomsday predictions a bit too seriously, when not even goldfishmemories did. The point of likening the small percentage of players leaving from bad updates to a mass exodus was not to say "This is what's going to happen guys 'cause rablax sucks !1!1!1" but to show a way that this could happen. The point of critiquing ROBLOX was not to say it's terrible but to convince them to be better like they can be.
If ROBLOX did nothing about the freemium and premium economy inflation it could've crashed. That was goldfish's point. And obviously it really could have because if not ROBLOX wouldn't have done something about it. What do you think removing tix was? It was making ROBLOX full premium so freemium wasn't making the economy unstable (not the approach goldfish's suggestion was offering but an approach nonetheless).
Goldfish's threads were made to improve the ROBLOX staff mindset and the NBC rights mindset. We don't need handouts, ROBLOX can't give handouts, we need a system. We need to restructure. Goldfish's suggestions aren't looking for any practical outcome, but the perfect system. That's was the point of him making doomsday satire. To tell people the importance of finding the perfect system, not just free robux, free items, free BC, no robux, no items, no BC and just blatantly ignoring the business schematic. |
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pm me the body of the thread |
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@Captain
I can't anymore but mirrors to it are linked all over this thread. The bottom of page 12 for example. |
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@88888
gr8 name m8 i r8 88888/8 but this is b8 |
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Great, now I've been spammed.
Ok...
"You sound pretty full of yourself too tbh. Just because people like goldfishmemories and frozengaia/Espithel (<-- another dude I think has cool ideas) make long threads doesn't mean they're all ego (I've seen many people accuse them of being egomanicial). The only difference between you and them is that they've actually contributed something and they don't just go on threads to puff themselves up ("Look at the weirdos talking nonsense. Heh at least I'' better than them)."
That doesn't make any difference to anything... When I said he was full of himself I was mainly saying that you're just contributing to his ego when he didn't really do anything smart. We could go in circles calling each other "egomanicial" so let's just not bother.
"Also ROBLOX isn't financially unstable. Not even goldfish thought it was (he mentioned on his old threads that his doomsday talk was to balance out the anti-NBCers that ignore all problems). That's not the point of our discussion that you don't seem to understand, considering most of what you're saying about it is false (1. goldfishmemories wasn't against tickets, and neither are we 2. Being critical isn't the same as being malicious, same with being satirical like goldfish)."
"The point is that I have a solution. It's a simple solution, really:
1. Deflate R$ and tickets and have them work alongside real life money.
2. Invent a new profit source to work alongside Builders' Club, while deflating Builders' Club or find another use for Builders' Club besides selling it."
This is basically what he wanted to do and tickets were removed for all the reasons he wanted them to change. He wasn't exactly against tickets but he basically was, I never said being critical was the same as being malicious and I never said anyone was being malicious for them being critical. The "anti-NBC'ers" aren't and were never a problem and I basically agree with the "anti-NBC'ers". The NBC'ers should just stop begging and if they actually do leave then this won't harm ROBLOX much as a company.
I don't really believe they need another profit source either but if anyone can think of something good then that'd be brilliant. A lot of you are saying that ROBLOX isn't financially unstable so they don't really need another profit source right now...
If all that's "not the point of our discussion that you don't seem to understand" then tell me what I don't understand and stop wasting my time. Could you also please prove what you're saying when you assert something?
"Yeah we've been having a discussion that for the most part has been between just a few people that isn't even about the OP anymore. That doesn't mean no one else cares (notice how other people have been dropping bumps because they wanted it to keep going? If you haven't noticed it's the "outsiders" you say are leaving us alone to talk to ourselves that are keeping this thread alive). If you actually paid attention to it you'd notice we aren't even talking about goldfish anymore or The Movement, just ROBLOX in general."
That's partially my point though, just make an Off Topic thread, since you aren't making an actual suggestion to ROBLOX.
"I do agree this thread has become OT and also the OP is obviously click bait, but if you wanna come on here and puff yourself up by making us seem like we're just a bunch of guys puffing ourselves up what makes you any different?"
Ego isn't the point of everything, I just want to discuss this because it seems like what you're all saying is a bit silly... Can we please just end everything about calling each other "egomaniacal" because it's just childish.
"This thread has run its course imo anyways. About time to kill it."
Please either make a link to an OT thread or keep discussing things here... There's no point killing it now really, it will probably get deleted soon.
"In all honesty I made this thread as bait and to get spotlight for the thread (but also I was genuinely surprised when I found out it got removed). I thought the title made it pretty obvious if not the OP. Imo it should've died ages ago and stayed that way. I honestly hoped if I left it alone it would've died 5 pages ago. The reason it hasn't is not because of the thread itself but the good but off topic discussions that came out of it."
They belong in off topic then... lol
"Also one final thought about goldfishmemories: the people that don't understand him are the people that take him too seriously. goldfishmemories was a character; just some BCer's alt that he used to use for trolling. He's even said his suggestions aren't made so that they can actually be implemented, but are supposed to provoke thoughtful commentary and discussion from a different mindset. The reason the threads are so extreme I think is because everyone else was so conservative back then (and they still are). Yes, goldfish's ideas weren't made to be implemented but to make a point; he was over theatrical and in his own head, but he wasn't arrogant and he didn't have some Light Yagami complex about ROBLOX."
He's still making the same point though, no matter how much he is exaggerating, unless he is making a really bad sarcastic joke about people making that point. His "point" was just pointless though because he didn't really have anything to suggest and was just exaggerating... ROBLOX was fine and still is fine, nothing really happened and it was obvious that tickets would be removed/changed sooner or later. If anyone does/did have any good ideas for alternative sources of profit, they would make a thread about it themselves.
"He was a character that was made to start real discussion. That's something I think is lacking A LOT on S&I nowadays. Just because mods abandoned this subforum people just crap post or argue about the same things over and over about click bait threads. goldfish is good because he's not in the rut. His ideas were extreme, over the top, but smart. He had a very good conceptual grasp on ROBLOX's industry and in game economy that nobody had in 2013. He predicted tix removal and the premiumization of ROBLOX 2 years before it happened. His threads were like crash courses for the stuff that's common knowledge about ROBLOX now but wasn't known when he forumed."
Everything he "predicted" was obvious, tickets were known to be broken so they would obviously have been changed/removed soon.
Boohoo... If you want to just cry about how bad you think S&I is right now then just stop and make actually good threads, look at ideas which could be good and ignore click bait and "dank memes". If you want a community to be good, then set an example, instead of this. You might not mean that you're SO sad about S&I right now but that's the only other thing I can really get from this paragraph. |
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"Your allowed to hate him, think he's stupid and an egomaniac. You're allowed to like him, too. People have started flame wars in his name, and dedicated entire rants and tributes to him, etc etc. Either way you're doing what he wanted you to do. Actually thinking. Not just swirling in the dank memes and the bait cesspool. "
Just ignore bait and "dank memes", if it could be interesting then click on it and if it says something like "JK LOL. I love fish." then just close it. I agree with all of this though, basically, but the kind of idiots who make bait and copy and paste memes won't be bothered to read his pointlessly long paragraphs about a few simple "ideas", made pointlessly long with a quiz, tonnes of examples and just random stuff. He was basically just ranting and waffling on, you're the ones taking him too seriously... If you want to actually get his message across then just write what he's actually saying in one, clear paragraph with no examples or anything so that the idiots will see it. They won't care though.
"Him and his ideas are a conversation piece. That's all. That's why we talk about him. Not for him, but for the discussion."
Uh... People will just make their own threads if they have any solutions to his "problems" but yeah, solving his "problems" would actually help ROBLOX as it would just be improvements. You're all practically worshipping him pointlessly. If anyone has any ideas then they will make their threads...
"I said 'Now let this thread end please.'"
If you want the thread to die then just don't reply to this.
"Exactly. goldfish threads and goldfish philosophy don't exist just to be annoying or critical but to make people something other than ricidulous NBC rights activists or ridiculous anti-NBC rights activists. When you talk goldfishmemories, no matter what you actually think about him or his ideas you're talking from a different perspective than just pro-NBC or anti-NBC. And thank God for that."
Ironically, I think you're the one thinking in a black and white perspective. S&I has a lot of spam from "NBC rights activists" and people tell them to stop and try to make them see actual logic but there are actual, proper suggestions on S&I.
"I could tell from his threads that he was very ahead of his time, like he came from the future. Not everyone can see it but considering he's been proven right about almost everything should be a little convincing. I agree his suggestions are long and useless in practicality, but so are all the suggestions on S&I now. What makes his different is that they're commentary. They're methodically made and he literally didn't care what came out of it; he'd literally just lurk as flame wars raged on them and kids called him stupid like he didn't care at all. Because it wasn't about his suggestions, it was about the perspective. ROBLOX won't die anytime soon, but that doesn't mean it can't. Goldfish's style was true constructive criticism--he understood better than most which allowed him to figure out the better path and he blew up the problems to show you that a better path mattered. People think just because there's no change in the status quo it doesn't matter if things could be better. But they always can. And we should at least know how they could be and why they should be."
I agree to extent. He's just wasting his time ranting, that's not going to change anything though, it might've changed this really slightly if he just wrote a few simple sentences, instead of waffling on. If anyone has any good suggestions, then they get posted. If you're concerned about good ideas getting drowned out, then just scroll past all the pointless threads and pay attention to ideas which could be good. You think he's so smart but you're just comparing him to 10 year old spammers who can't be bothered to read his stuff anyway. |
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"I don't agree with you about goldfishmemories however. The point of his threads are to explain ROBLOX's freemium and premium economy, industry and profit sources in a way that makes people realize that NBC rights threads and anti-NBC rights threads are dumb, pointless and repetitive (things like tix removal threads, daily robux, etc). The reason goldfish's threads are so long and drawn out are because you're in his head and he actually has important things (and back then, unheard of things) to say about these topics. They're long so when you read them you have plenty of time to think about them and they guide your thoughts in a way that you discover some new things about ROBLOX that better your understanding."
Ignore the repetitive things then, stop sobbing about them and his ideas were all obvious to people who aren't ten year old spammers.
The length of his thread contributed to nothing, all it did was make it less likely for the 10 year olds to read it... It didn't "guide" you in any way, it was just filled with examples, his quiz and a bit of repetition.
"In short, they were made to be enlightening and introspective, especially for 2013-2014 ROBLOX. If I hadn't read them, I'd probably be a stupid anti-NBC activist too, or worse, an NBC activist. Thanks to reading goldfish threads I'm not, and he actually inspired my R$ fission thread (you've probably heard about that thread; probably a mix of good and bad). Goldfishmemories helps you understand ROBLOX and platforms like it in a way that for most kids and S&I alters their thinking. It's not valued because we think the suggestions are the greatest thing ever and should be implemented (not even goldfish thought that, of course there are some people that do think that). Yeah they're good ideas, albeit useless, but it's not about the ideas--it's about what they're about and the mindset that made them."
So you're saying the point of goldfish was that he was annoyed by the spam? Well, yeah but he's not going to change anything and you just admitted that. I'm sorry if goldfish was the only thing that made you realise it's best to ignore "anti-NBC" and "NBC rights" threads. It's alright to sometimes go on them though because it can be funny, you can just scroll past them when looking for real suggestions.
"A lot of people take his doomsday predictions a bit too seriously, when not even goldfishmemories did. The point of likening the small percentage of players leaving from bad updates to a mass exodus was not to say "This is what's going to happen guys 'cause rablax sucks !1!1!1" but to show a way that this could happen. The point of critiquing ROBLOX was not to say it's terrible but to convince them to be better like they can be."
Exaggeration doesn't change what someone's saying.
"If ROBLOX did nothing about the freemium and premium economy inflation it could've crashed. That was goldfish's point. And obviously it really could have because if not ROBLOX wouldn't have done something about it. What do you think removing tix was? It was making ROBLOX full premium so freemium wasn't making the economy unstable (not the approach goldfish's suggestion was offering but an approach nonetheless)."
I doubt they needed goldfish to realise this was what they needed to do (or something like it).
"Goldfish's threads were made to improve the ROBLOX staff mindset and the NBC rights mindset. We don't need handouts, ROBLOX can't give handouts, we need a system. We need to restructure. Goldfish's suggestions aren't looking for any practical outcome, but the perfect system. That's was the point of him making doomsday satire. To tell people the importance of finding the perfect system, not just free robux, free items, free BC, no robux, no items, no BC and just blatantly ignoring the business schematic."
There is no system without issues, what he was saying is just a bit unrealistic, though I agree about the spam but his thread won't change that.
"pm me the body of the thread"
If you didn't look through this thread to find it, then you'll probably "TL;DR" the whole thread.
In short, goldfish was just ranting and what he was saying couldn't really change anything, you're just worshipping him because he stated some fairly obvious facts and now everyone thinks he's some kind of genius. He's not, only compared to the 10 year olds. He had no real suggestion and you should just stop spamming his name. Also, stop repeating what each other say and making simple statements into long paragraphs, it is following the footsteps of your idol but it's just annoying.
Sorry if there are any missing words or mistakes in my grammar because I can't be bothered to read through all this to check it. |
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