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"I'll listen if you have an alternative you'd support, but you said you might not come back, so :/"
I did: educate people properly on the wiki, with a tutorial which builds an understanding of programming up from first principles. If it helps in my proposition of an alternative, I'm currently trying to write one, but I'm sure there are people working for ROBLOX more qualified to do so than myself. |
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PixeloiteJoin Date: 2009-10-18
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@jtrobloxian
Yes, but learning how to code is just tedious. You won't be able to make games via cube coding unless you made tons of pieces of codes for it. |
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NovericJoin Date: 2016-08-04
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"Yes, but learning how to code is just tedious."
To you maybe - so don't learn. But you're not going to make a game.
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PixeloiteJoin Date: 2009-10-18
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@Bobbybillyhi
Write it and put it up on Github, that way it's visible publicly for everyone. Then you can see feedback and improve it etc. |
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PixeloiteJoin Date: 2009-10-18
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@Noveric I already did before and I'm probably going to once I get time to do so, but I'm not really interested in the fame that goes behind it, so I'm probably going to need to make an alt account.. I'll figure it out when I'll have time. |
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PixeloiteJoin Date: 2009-10-18
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@Bobbybillyhi
I'd be willing to read through it once I get time.. I have maybe.. 19 days? Around that much time to read through it. |
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And just putting an idea out there for the community which might (and I stress the 'might', the community as a whole has more knowledge to critique this idea than I do alone) solve the problem of Cube Coding not teaching people, whilst guaranteeing for all Lua programmers Lua's survival:
Have a step by step compiler, as you build up your blocks, you see the code being built up, possibly coloured coded to the blocks of code.
I'm not 100% sure I'd support this idea myself, but it seems to be a fair compromise between the two viewpoints (so long as I've Googled the right 'Project Spark Koding').
And don't worry, I'm expecting people to dislike this: Everybody hates a compromise!
Anyway, I should probably stop joining in with this 'debate', and get back to what I was actually doing! |
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suggestion is users learn lua and stop complaining.
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CantoxJoin Date: 2012-10-19
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"It shouldn't be debated that Lua is easy to learn on ROBLOX. The challenge however isn't to make Cube Coding (sorry). I started "programming in an actual language, but I've seen people who starting programming in languages which have been simplified down as you describe (such as Scratch). If you are going to address the problem of users not understanding Lua, the challenge is explaining to them how programming works - the essence of breaking a complex action into a series of simple steps comprehensible to a computer - not in simplifying it. I'd support a tutorial which teaches the basics of coding, giving people the understanding to use the API."
>>>>dedication
"The problem isn't with rip-offs of games, those will happen anyway, but more developers will logically increase the number of high-quality games."
it happens, but with OP's idea, it will increase.
"Teach people how to program well, don't do it for them.
P.S. Stop criticizing each other on this thread; there is a valid point behind this thread, and if people worked on it, we could have a viable solution to the problem of coding illiteracy.
If you listen to each other, and build on what you're all saying, you might actually get somewhere.
Don't say 'no' on it's own, propose an alternative."
what alternative is there? there are enough wikis that teach you. just look it up
also, the point IS to criticize an idea regardless if it's a good or bad one
you act as if people just say "no" for the sake of saying no, there is always reasoning behind it
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"what alternative is there? there are enough wikis that teach you. just look it up
also, the point IS to criticize an idea regardless if it's a good or bad one
you act as if people just say "no" for the sake of saying no, there is always reasoning behind it"
Firstly, why am I letting myself be dragged back into this?
Wikis don't work for the majority of people, it's as simple as that. I only learnt because I had previous knowledge, and it could have been easier. Tutorials work, if they're done properly. I've taught people who have asked me how to script, and - no offense to the wiki, but it worked better. Mostly this is because I am an amateur when it comes to coding - I've only been coding in Lua for a year or so - and therefore I have a perspective which the highly intelligent developers behind ROBLOX lack: the perspective of a lay-person.
The only other problem is that to teach them, I had a feedback loop: they could ask me questions, and I would answer them; we don't have that with the wiki.
There is a problem here: the wikis can teach people, but they don't always make it easy, as coders, it's up to us and ROBLOX to fix it, and make coding accessible.
Finally, there's a slight naïvety in assuming that people don't say 'no' just for the sake of it. Whilst you may not be saying it purely for the sake of doing so, it is a major problem on most of the suggestion forums, as well as on this thread, and ergo is a valid point, especially as demonstrated in this thread.
I'm going to leave this argument now (let's face it, it lacks even the semblance of a debate), so: Bye, and have a good day! |
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I believe most future ROBLOX developers are intelligent enough to learn the language in its form today. Time can be found to learn, even for you, jeco(If you have got a job, how did you find the time to post this?), you can learn in bits.
Sometimes there is not a good enough tutorial for someone(For example generic for, I do not think the ROBLOX Wiki explained it properly, I had to experiment myself.), but there is usually a workaround. I believe anyone with at least not much below average intelligence can learn Lua. |
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PixeloiteJoin Date: 2009-10-18
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@MateFizyChem
I'm gonna answer ALLL that in just a few words.
I don't like it when people think I don't know how to code. |
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PixeloiteJoin Date: 2009-10-18
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And for the reason I can post right now is because summer break. Some jobs let you get a few weeks off for summer. That's how I got time to install a pool in my backyard, but that's not what we are talking about.
For all of you guys who say you don't think the wiki is hard to learn : You be you. Some other people have a super hard time with that kind of stuff. There's a little thing called the 3 methods of learning, visual, hands on and textile. You are most likely a textile learner. A lot of the ROBLOX players are hands on learner, due to playing video games.
Like it or not but the majority of roblox's players need cube coding, and yes, cube coding has a lot of mistakes, that's why its open for changes. Thanks. |
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LUA is easy though.
I think ROBLOX should focus on improving stuff for people who aren't too lazy to learn how to use it. |
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PixeloiteJoin Date: 2009-10-18
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@attomicgreen
Read my previous message, I explain to you why it's easy for you but not for other players. |
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CantoxJoin Date: 2012-10-19
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"Wikis don't work for the majority of people, it's as simple as that. I only learnt because I had previous knowledge, and it could have been easier. Tutorials work, if they're done properly. I've taught people who have asked me how to script, and - no offense to the wiki, but it worked better. Mostly this is because I am an amateur when it comes to coding - I've only been coding in Lua for a year or so - and therefore I have a perspective which the highly intelligent developers behind ROBLOX lack: the perspective of a lay-person.
The only other problem is that to teach them, I had a feedback loop: they could ask me questions, and I would answer them; we don't have that with the wiki."
learning it because you had previous knowledge sounds illogical, add some context to it
also, there is way more than a "wiki", you can learn the basics easily on youtube like i did
"There is a problem here: the wikis can teach people, but they don't always make it easy, as coders, it's up to us and ROBLOX to fix it, and make coding accessible."
or just learn from something else instead of a wiki
"Finally, there's a slight naïvety in assuming that people don't say 'no' just for the sake of it. Whilst you may not be saying it purely for the sake of doing so, it is a major problem on most of the suggestion forums, as well as on this thread, and ergo is a valid point, especially as demonstrated in this thread."
>>>"Don't say 'no' on it's own, propose an alternative"
it is a problem and thats why people always ask for reasoning, and not for a proposal
criticizing something happens daily in s7i, you arent going to suggest an alternative if an idea is terrible
i said no to op with decent reasoning, and kept to my point until he comprehended it
"I'm going to leave this argument now (let's face it, it lacks even the semblance of a debate), so: Bye, and have a good day!"
ill be welcoming your return |
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I still don't support.
the current LUA system is easy enough, and they don't need to simplify it just because some people can't watch a single 30 minute video to learn it. |
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PixeloiteJoin Date: 2009-10-18
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@attomicgreen
If you disagree, then you really don't have to comment it. I really would only appreciate if you commented if you had some kind of criticism or something. |
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"@MateFizyChem
I'm gonna answer ALLL that in just a few words.
I don't like it when people think I don't know how to code."
Oh, then you deserve some good for your empathy. |
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PixeloiteJoin Date: 2009-10-18
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@MateFizyChem
I don't think you understood what I said.. |
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LightlimnJoin Date: 2010-05-09
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you can't "not have time" for learning Lua but then you want to make a proper game on ROBLOX. just learn it, it's not that difficult |
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PixeloiteJoin Date: 2009-10-18
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i. already. know. how. to. code. :L |
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PixeloiteJoin Date: 2009-10-18
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just trying to simplify it for newcomers. Though it's been awhile so a bit of my knowledge is probably outdated.... |
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NFS12123Join Date: 2014-05-16
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It's impossible to make a decent anything with block coding. Also, it gives kids the false impression that they are true developers... |
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